AT&T to pay $23M fine for bribing lawmaker’s ally in exchange for vote
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Rosemont is one of the weirdest places I've ever encountered. It's essentially family-run for-profit operation that caters to the corporate clientele of O'Hare airport.
As of early 2022 it was still active:
https://wirepoints.org/why-is-criminal-investigation-of-prit...
Ever heard, vaguely, of Chicago-style politics? Well that’s the “powerful” guy here: Michael Madigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Madigan
https://www.chicagomag.com/chicago-magazine/december-2013/mi...
The longest-serving leader of any level of government in the country. He was old-school. No emails. Ran a foot soldier get-out-the-vote ground game. Massive conflicts of interest. Possibly torpedoed his own daughter’s run for governor. Never gave interviews.
Reading about this man is fascinating. He’s a sort of a composed, calculated, competent evil.
Longer than Secretary of State Jesse White in Illinois?
All that for a $22,500 payment. Talk about leverage.
In any case, lobbyists are paid to talk at people, not bribe them.
I’d like for companies that do illegal things to have repercussions in line with what an individual would face for doing the same thing. Whoever signs off on it at the highest level should pay the price.
I used to be shocked by this, but at some point I realized how expensive it must be to get a dollar to a politician. Getting $20K to Madigan involves meetings, planning, lawyers, accountants, and bagmen. I'm sure the total expense was closer to $100-$200K. Spent badly in this case because they still got caught, but spent well in the hundreds of cases we don't talk about.
It's also capitalism; if Madigan weren't cheap and effective, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did. He might have gotten a dozen AT&T-sized bribes that month from different sources.
Of course the laws and prosecutors are managed by the individuals involved in the crimes, so what will change?
Lobbying = "Hi, I'm a representative for [large donor]. I'd like to speak with you about how they feel about an upcoming piece of legislation, carefully using my words so that I'm just pushing our position on the issue and hoping you'll 'see our side' and vote in our favor, even though you and I both know what I really mean here."
Bribery: "I will give you $[amount] if you vote [this way]."
4 years pass ... "<Name>! long time no see? oh you're out of office? Great! we have a cushy consulting position you should apply for, you're a shoe in!"
There's little actaul work, the pay is ridiculous, expenses covered, children get internships, etc. All legal...if you vote for hamburger today.
lobbyist -> military contractor
politician -> high ranking military officer
out of office -> retired from active service
and you now know why some contractors seem to continually get ludicrous purchases despite poor performance.
You basically have never have looked at a campaign general fund receipts report to believe that companies don't donate to candidates. I don't even care about this issue and think it's totally overblown, but I mean, what you said is deeply misleading and we can't just let it stand as a comment.
https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=0720...
"A person commits bribery when: (a) With intent to influence the performance of any act related to the employment or function of any public officer, public employee, juror or witness, he or she promises or tenders to that person any property or personal advantage which he or she is not authorized by law to accept;"
Slap on the wrist and no real punishment for the largest American telecom/ISP.
T-Mobile market cap is $165B, Verizon $152B, and ATT at $106B.
Not that the government punishment should not be worse, but kind of breathtaking how badly managed ATT is.
Looking at Tmobile's plan, https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans I'm shocked at how low their price is for 3 phonelines. $90 essential plan is all I need. Similar plan on ATT would cost me at least 30%+ more.
I doubt T-Mobile would be selling its services for less if it had the same coverage Verizon and ATT did, so effectively T-Mobile is selling an inferior product.
Both Verizon and ATT tried to pull off a Comcast and tried to go vertical by acquiring content makers to avoid being just a dumb pipe, but they both failed miserably and ended up with a ton of debt.
ATT failed much worse though. They paid $50B for a satellite TV broadcaster in 2015. It was already obvious that streaming was the future. Either extreme corruption or astounding incompetence.
>"BELLEVUE, Wash. — May 31, 2022 — The Carriers called. They want their greedy reputations back. AGAIN. AT&T is raising its rates, increasing customers’ bills by $6 to $12 per month."[1]
>"Wireless postpaid consumer customers on all metered shared data plans will see a plan rate adjustment charge of $6 per month for a single-line phone account and $12 per month for multi-line phone accounts, effective with their next bill cycle, according to Verizon."[2]
[1] https://www.t-mobile.com/news/offers/takes-aim-at-att-and-ve...
[2] https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/verizon-quietly-hike...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/T/at-t/market-cap
Compared to your competitors:
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/VZ/verizon/market-...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TMUS/t-mobile-us/m...
Getting away for some tiny corruption in one state with a tiny amount of business relative to losses in tens of billions of dollars is nothing.
[1] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2019/11/... [2] https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/6/20952512/att-price-hike-c...
It's pretty stunning to me how low-priced these political hookers are. $22.5k to end a requirement for AT&T that is surely worth many, many millions? I have a difficult time believing the $23M is more than the annual savings they get from this bill. Companies will just rack this up as the cost of doing business.
I almost feel sorry for AT&T here. It's hard to overstate just how powerful Mike Madigan was in Illinois politics (and he's still very influential). He was undoubtedly more powerful than the governor. His corruption was legendary and well known by everyone, yet hardly anyone seemed to care and people voted for him anyway. He acted like a mob boss in the legislature, ensuring that all his colleagues would continue to vote him into the Speaker position year after year. Any Democrats who voted against him as speaker were very publicly punished, since he controlled most of the Democratic party money in the state. In a state that almost always has a Democratic supermajority, there were basically zero checks to his power. Companies like AT&T may have been in a bad situation of having no choice but to play ball with him just to be able to function in the state. Everyone in Illinois knew that you didn't say no to Mike Madigan.
[0] https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/10/14/23404193/mike-madiga...
We have the #1 highest taxes in the USA. Yes!
And billions more in taxes gained from a vast legal marijuana industry. And our many prisons. And abortion tourism. And incredibly expensive rest homes for the elderly. All that tax money disappears like magic. Where'd it go??
We are famous for our corrupt politicians and soft-minded citizens.
Previously unaccounted for labor costs. Bought x amount of labor yesterday by paying y > x tomorrow, but not acknowledging y > x in any official reports. And, of course, there was most likely some loss due to corrupt investments.
Note that federal laws exempted taxpayer funded deferred compensation schemes from laws such as ERISA 1974 and PPA 2006 specifically because taxes can be increased in the future, so why bother preventing future taxpayers from having to pay for previous generations of taxpayers?
The reaction : everybody with a pension, or expecting a pension, fearful of losing their nestegg, rallys to defend the high taxes. And wailing fills the air, obscuring further discussion.
I would ask you to research John Filan for more details, but you'll find very little because this kind of history gets erased and substituted for angry rants about some appointee retiring at 45 on 3x his salary, to his own consulting company whose only client is the state, or a lobbying firm. As a reaction to those rants, it's retired teachers, DMV clerks, and garbagemen that get shit on.
edit: this is absurdly detailed, although it glosses over a lot of stuff that Crain's ideologically approves of https://www.chicagobusiness.com/static/section/pensions.html
https://pols.uic.edu/chicago-politics/anti-corruption-report...
> The Department of Justice (DOJ) statistics on public corruption show, that since the department began collecting the data in 1976, the Northern District of Illinois, which includes Chicago, is the most corrupt federal judicial district in the nation, and that Illinois, on a per capita basis, is the third most corrupt state.
Look, for what it's worth, I'm not trying to argue that public corruption isn't a problem in Chicagoland. It obviously is. Hopefully the fall of Madigan does something about it; really, until we get a viable Illinois Republic Party, we're going to be stuck with a political machine, just like very non-competitive state has. But people are glib about this stuff.
Jail time and bans from operating.
This is the only thing that will fix broken America.
Jail time for those involved. and Lifetime bans from operating in the respective spaces. The person doing the bribing should be banned from a mgmt position, the the law maker should be banned from any political office at all levels, the lobby firm should be banned from operating in the US.
Commit a "blue collar" crime, you or I go to jail. But do a white collar crime and it's a slap on the wrists.
Time - separated from family, etc. - has value. Money, for the amounts these people play with might as well be Monopoly money.
You can't get that for an indictment unless you're indicting a poor person. In the US we ostensibly punish people when they're convicted.
What we need to do is to punish the appearance of impropriety when it comes to politics, and be very specific about what appears to be impropriety. As it is, we can only stop dumb or lazy corruption, the kind that people talk about over the phone and write in emails.
It would also be perfectly legal to hire a politician or regulator who advanced your interests once he's no longer in office. There is, in fact, a revolving door between many industries and the agencies that regulate them. But you can't explicitly promise these individuals a job while they're still in office or you committed illegal bribery. A politician also can't sell a Senate appointment (as the governor of Illinois infamously tried to do after Obama was elected president) but he can give it to one of his political allies as a favor and reasonably expect that the favor will be repaid in the future.
Of course, these differences aren't particularly meaningful in reality but they're very important under the law and anybody who is stupid enough to execute their bribes the wrong way will probably be punished for bribery even though it would have been perfectly legal if they'd done it the right way.
Citizens United is problematic not because "money is free speech" (which, frankly, it is, as we live in a capitalist society) but rather because corporations (specifically when donating to Super PACs) have no caps on donation sizes. Fun fact: that money is not taxable income, by the way. So they can (in a roundabout way) essentially fill a friendly politician's coffers "for free."
Corporations have not votes. Citizens do. A step forward could be to bar corporations from any action in the voting process (their constituent citizens like employees, owners, board etc can do what they wish as citizens, if they're citizens) .
I mean, while this is technically true, it's also a bit silly to think it's untraceable--many people that attempt to do this get in trouble for it[1]. As someone that owns a Super PAC, while I don't consider myself some kind of absolute authority, I do know some of the regulatory hurdles one must go through. I get it, you watched John Oliver do his little song and dance, but reality is a bit more complicated.
[1] Just to cite a famous-ish case: read about Conservative Strikeforce Super PAC.
I'm fully aware it's by no means a risk free or foolproof venture, but you're the one being silly if you think the amount of cases where people are caught committing crimes is anything but a small percentage of people actually committing said crimes, especially white collar crimes like this. They're just the ones that were unlucky and/or not smart enough to get away with it.
And honestly you're being more than a bit condescending and not really arguing in good faith, so not interested in continuing this conversation. You have a nice day though :)
[0]: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/04/majority-of-lawmake...
The problem with under-the-table bribes is that you can't "follow the money" so to speak.
This is blatantly anti-democratic. It's a huge mess of conflicts of interest. It should not be legal.
[1] https://www.opensecrets.org/fara
[2] https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-recipients
That's an unhelpful take. Bribery as defined by law is inherently illegal, and lobbying is defined by law as legal, so legalized bribery is nonsensical. It can't exist.
On the other hand, there are certainly arguments to be made for why lobbying can feel anti-democratic. But they come smack up against rights to freedom of speech, association, etc.
It's incredibly difficult to draw the lines here for what is "democratic" and "anti-democratic", where "legitimate democratic politics" turns into "corruption". All of democracy is about individuals and groups trying to influence candidates and politicians, and providing or withholding support to do so, and candidates and politicians actively seeking support of individuals and groups via policy.
Fortunately, we've decided that some lines are relatively easy to draw: politicians can solicit/receive contributions for campaigns, but not personally. But what you're arguing against doesn't have any kind of clear line. Federal money and tax breaks go to lots of different groups, and lots of different groups lobby. It's hard to see how that either of those should be illegal, or how tying them together could be made illegal, without the end result being even more anti-democratic.
I don't think the concept of legalized bribery is difficult to understand. Yes, it's legal. I'm saying that it shouldn't be.
Democracy, or more specifically representative democracy, is a form of government where elected persons represent the people. The problem with lobbying is that to the degree that lobbying happens, the people are represented less and those paying the lobbyists are represented more. This causes an obvious conflict of interests.
You might think that the degree of lobbying happening in Washington is fairly small. In 2021, $3.77B was spent on lobbyists[1], and the combined salaries of all representatives and senators was around $93m. That means that on average, each representative makes $174,000 pre-tax, and has over $7m spent to buy their vote on various issues. Every. Single. Year.
That's how stark the problem is. Solving the problem is hard of course--I think that might be your point?--and definitely something that requires a lot of thought and discussion. Even if you made lobbying illegal, a huge percentage of that money is going to go underground and find other ways of influencing Congress.
bribery - transfer of value in exchange for official action.
lobbying - communicating with an official for purposes of influencing official action, not including providing public testimony or legally required communications
Legalizing bribery would allow transfer of value. Generally information is considered free, so has no value, so lobbying is not a transfer of value and hence is not bribery (legalized or otherwise). If you want to argue that lobbyists are giving officials hot stock tips that make the officials millions, hence information has value, I suppose it's possible, but it doesn't seem like the issue you're addressing.
What you seem to dislike is that many people are paid to push laws. But this isn't much different from other forms of sales - every company has a marketing department that tries to lobby potential customers. There is no obligation to buy and similarly the politician has no obligation to enact the suggested changes. But without direct communication it seems like it would be hard to enact sound policy. I don't see any obvious alternatives to lobbying to get the required information besides a massive "big brother" government surveillance program that tries to identify potential problems with big data and solve them before they happen.
Believe me, I know how much lobbying there is, I've studied it a bit academically. Which is why I'm taking issue with how you're characterizing it.
Corporations have legitimate democratic/governance concerns. E.g. there can be outdated regulations unfairly hampering their ability to do business or innovate. They need to be able to bring their concerns to politicians, the same way pro-choicers donate to Planned Parenthood to lobby, or environmentalists donate to Greenpeace to lobby on behalf of the environment, or gun rights advocates with the NRA.
Your claim that lobbying is in conflict with "the people" is categorically false, as "the people" lobby as well via lots of organizations, such as the ones I've just listed. "The people" also have interests in corporations not being unfairly burdened.
The notion of making lobbying illegal is utterly anti-democratic. The idea that you could outlaw voluntary domestic organizations from trying to support democratic candidates flies in the face of what makes democracy work, whether those organizations are non-profit or for-profit.
The more relevant issue seems to be more with the notion that corporations have more money to lobby with than the general population does. However even with that, some academic research suggests that the issue isn't so much to do with money, but rather the fact that corporations often lobby on behalf of niche/arcane issues such as specific corporate regulations that voters are often virtually entirely unaware of. So it's not so much corporations vs. "the people", but corporations vs. "the people don't even care", or corporations vs. other corporations.
That depends on if you think getting rid of bribery laws gets rid of bribery. If you do feel that way, you're very compatible with Illinois state bribery law, which allows anything outside of a written or recorded quid pro quo. But you're out of step with people who think laws should be made for a purpose, rather than our purpose being to follow laws.