Regulators of Facebook, Google and Amazon also invest in the companies’ stocks
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> An FTC spokesman said the agency officials had followed the law.
While I don't really want to see regulators owning any amount of individual stocks in companies they're directly regulating, the $15,000 individual stock limit limits the impact quite a bit. Even if someone did own $15,000 of an individual stock, the personal financial gain/loss of even major regulatory actions isn't a huge amount.
Also keep in mind that you can't buy basically any large cap mutual fund without owning significant amounts of Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple, and other large companies.
The solution there has to be oversight to identify when a regulator is misbehaving.
Though I'm fine with limiting their ownership to zero for purely rational reasons. A few thousand bucks worth of loss/gain might still sway small borderline decisions.
Once the investigation starts, absolutely. But forcing a regulator to sell their $10k stake in Apple prior to investigating them creates its own weird incentives.
But anyone with stock investments at this scale is already seeing their portfolio swing a couple hundred dollars on the regular. Regulators also have far more to lose in their career (paying potentially millions over the multi-year course of their tenure) by making the wrong decision than they would by swinging their portfolio a couple hundred bucks on a given day.
We can't realistically demand that all public regulators abstain from investing in, for example, an S&P 500 index fund that holds several percent of Apple stock. If the job came with a requirement that the job holder couldn't invest standard index funds, anyone who knows anything about investing and financial planning would avoid the job at all costs.
There has to be a compromise. You can't demand absolute zero financial interest in things like index funds over the mere chance that someone might make an irrational career-harming move to swing their portfolio a couple hundred bucks.
This is pretty typical behavior, actually. I grew up Mormon, Mormons complain about people making polygamy jokes about them but also make polygamy jokes themselves. It's an in-group vs out-group thing: we can make those jokes.
Mentioning Toyota's EV situation on HN is a little more relatable for this crowd.
While I agree a broad based fund will have allocations of these stocks and should be okay for them to own, but what are they doing owning individual stocks?
This is roughly the same debate as Congress, just on a smaller scale. What is the balance between reasonable individual financial management and ensuring conflicts don't exist?
That isn't income, profit, or gains, but just the actual amount of stock they can hold/trade at some time. Let's say they had inside information, $15k doesn't allow for much leverage to take advantage of that information.
> How many months income does it take to corrupt somebody?
Probably a heck of a lot more than you could earn on trading just $15k of stock.
This is one of those situations where the possibility/impression of special access to gains is probably worse than any actual gains being made. And it's certainly a much smaller scale than what we saw with Congress ($10s of millions in some cases).
Many advisors invest based on an index (or modified index) but hold shares in clients' accounts directly.
IDK, maybe it's that I don't work in tech and I'm too young or too old or whatever (37, 2 kids) but it just seems crazy to me to think that for some people $15k in any SINGLE stock isn't a meaningful amount of money.
But if you could move your entire life savings into a stock the incentive for shady stuff increases significantly.
They're not allowed to insider trade on it, or corruptly modify their regulatory duties on account of it, irrespective of whether is $1 or ten thousand.
Obviously they should sell-on-vest and diversify into index funds, but a lot of them choose to buy and hold some individual stocks that they're bullish on as well.
Specially, for example, humans have an aversion to loss. It's true for small amounts. Certainly, for larger amounts it's just as bad. That is, few people regardless of resources would reach into their pocket and toss $15K into a fire pit. We're simply not wired for that.
And that wiring is going to influence the decision made. The amount is a minor factor.
So let's take the DOJ, since they have easy to find vacancies.
https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=1&t...
They are mostly GS-15, which is 150-175k pay per year. They do fine on benefits, etc.
15k in stock is not a ton for them.
Certainly not something you'd mess up a job or career over.
If you own a tech sector fund like VGT, Apple makes up 22% of the fund. So having 200k of VGT is going to be just shy of $50,000 worth of apple stock.
In whose mind? Most people would fight to defend 50$ like they are defending their life, especially rich ones from my experience. Add to that the spouse asking questions and that 15k is worth a million.
What did Bill Gates learn after the Microsoft antitrust case? Don't snub Washington:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/bill-gates-i-was-naive-at-mi...
> "I was naive at Microsoft and didn't realize that our success would lead to government attention," Gates said, referring to Microsoft's antitrust challenges from more than 20 years ago. "And so I made some mistakes — you know, just saying, 'Hey, I never go to Washington, D.C.' And now I don't think, you know, that naivete is there."
https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2002...
> For a couple of embarrassing years in the mid-'90s, Microsoft's primary lobbying presence in D.C. was "Jack and his Jeep." As the software giant's sole in-house lobbyist, Jack Krumholtz, then 33, had to battle endless traffic jams to get from Microsoft's suburban sales office to Capitol Hill. "Early on I spent most of the day in my Jeep Grand Cherokee on my cellphone," Krumholtz says. "I hit an all-time low on the day I was parked on a Capitol Hill side street reading through my mail with the laptop on the steering wheel."
> No longer. After the Justice Department filed its antitrust suit in 1998, Microsoft--a company famous for its disdain of government--undertook the largest government affairs makeover in corporate history. The company now boasts one of the most dominating, multifaceted, and sophisticated influence machines around, one that spends tens of millions a year. It's no great surprise that one of the country's wealthiest companies can bankroll a beefed-up lobbying operation when it faces a crisis. But what few people realize is that Microsoft has reached the very highest ranks of lobbying so quickly. Says David Hart, a lobbying expert at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government: "Microsoft has joined the top tier"--with such longtime heavyweights as Philip Morris, Lockheed Martin, and AT&T.
Yea but there is a decent amount of awareness around it. Regulators, not so much.
It's a club.. and we're not in it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/30/us/politics/stock-trading...
WSJ should publish this database, i.e., the data and disclose the software used. This is not a database of leaked information. It is all publicly available.
Instead, WSJ tells readers all about how they constructed it, like some sort of teaser. This reminds me of computer science papers that describe software the authors wrote but refuse to release. How can the reader be certain the software did not contain errors that affected the results.
There are some who believe researchers who publish findings about some object of study for the benefit of the public, e.g., an academic community or a newspaper readership, are "obligated" to supply the resources they used to other researchers so others can replicate or conduct further studies.
But allowing regulators to trade individual stocks that they regulate is unacceptable, at any dollar value. There is just no way to avoid conflicts of interest. If this rule means you can’t hire good people, the salary needs to increase.
This is incorrect. The STOCK Act banned insider trading by members of Congress in 2012 [1]. Disclosure requirements for staffers were amended in 2013 [2], but prohibitions on Congressmen remain in force [3].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STOCK_Act
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STOCK_Act#Amendment
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_congressional_insider_tra...
Is it really "in force" when, despite much ado, no charges were brought in the linked scandal [1][2]? I don't really have a horse in this race, I just took issue with the particular example you referenced.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/us/politics/senators-stoc...
[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/19/doj-will-not-charge-sen-rich...
A Senator’s phone was subpoenaed by the FBI. That’s substantial. (The allegation was Burr had insider information on broad market movements. Absent direct evidence he misappropriated privileged information, that’s a tough charge to bring. Had he bought e.g. Moderna shares, prosecutors may have had a case.)
The whole thing, moreover, came to light because of the STOCK Act. There are now calls for bans on individual stock trading by Congressmen as a result of the evidence from these scandals.
I’m not defending the status quo. But it’s definitely improving and not a free for all.
> Nearly one in four top FTC officials owned or traded individual stocks of tech companies such as Amazon.com Inc., Meta Platforms Inc.’s Facebook, Alphabet Inc.’s Google, Microsoft Corp. and Oracle Corp.
The fewer opportunities for conflict of interest, the better the outcomes in the general case.
That limit seems pointless at achieving its goal of minimising conflicting interests.
Also, what makes you think their oversight would not be invested like them and not have the same conflict of interest as them?