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This and other things (example: snap) have led me to switch back to Debian, which has come a long way on the user side in the past decade!

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I've had a similar experience. Most of the little irritations that induced me to switch to Ubuntu have been solved in the base Debian distro. Some of Ubuntu's default settings are still a little more user friendly, but it is really not hard to fix them, certainly less irksome to me than seeing ads on my CLI.

My only gripe with Debian is the "we do support systemd, but not really, but also we don't fully support not using it, so all packages are an eldritch abomination of systemd services loading initscripts loading systemd services loading initscripts" situation that keeps making service debugging harder than it has any right to be.

This is it. Debian is like Ubuntu but without all the cruft.

... and with older packages, but that's usually okay.

Reject ads in your shell, return to Debian.

> and with older packages, but that's usually okay

Just use sid/unstable. Debian really did a disservice for naming it "unstable". Don't use "testing".

Eh, I had the C++ standard library break on unstable a year ago. That's not really acceptable, I'd say unstable is a fair name.

There's a few system-breaking changes a year, e.g. gnuplot broke last month.

> Debian is like Ubuntu but without all the cruft.

Unfortunately for me, I only seem to like the font rendering in Ubuntu, any other distro I tried (and I habitually try lots) don't seem to get it quite right (for my taste anyway).

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