Watch ordinary Russians in the 1980s and you’ll understand the rise of Putin
thetimes.co.uk
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A minor aspect of the story given is the nature of organized criminality in Russia. Two good videos by Mark Galeotti:
History of Russian organized crime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J77TmCqOnS8)
Relation of gangsters to the modern state (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2h-aKqoZME)
It starts from 1985-1999
I discovered a bunch of people who were far more kind, moral and honest than the ones in New York that I'd visited a couple of weeks earlier. I hadn't felt particularly safe in New York, I felt safe in Moscow.
Is there a more broadly applicable point here than your subjective experience of late-80s NY versus late-80s Moscow? Or am I just missing your point altogether?
On my first morning in Moscow, I asked the hotel concierge for my passport. She asked what I was doing that made that necessary. I said 'I'm going into the City. Don't I have to have it on me if somebody asks me for my papers?' She burst out laughing and said 'You don't need your passport for that. But you can take it with you if you want.' I replied 'No, don't worry about it then. It'll be safer here with you than with me.'
But they DO think differently. One area that I discovered was in the deal-making process. Westerners tend to make deals quickly, and then try to find loopholes in that deal AFTERWARDS to reduce costs to themselves. Russians are painful for Westerners to make deals with as they will debate all the various points of difference, even tiny ones, BEFORE the deal is struck. Sometimes, there is no deal made. However, any deal that is struck with Russians will be followed both to the letter and the spirit of that deal.
An example of this is that gas supplies were being made to the Europeans for years and years under existing deals that were in place, even as more and more sanctions were placed on the Russians by the Europeans.
Would I actually understand it after this 7 hour documentary? I think I might understand something of the Russian bitterness. The betrayal, the distrust, and the pride of endurance.
But I don't think 7 hours of cold hands rummaging through bare store shelves, shuffling babushkas, and men making ad-hoc repairs to cars will help me understand Russian aggressiveness. Maybe Russian suffering.
Just out of curiosity, how are you deriving Kotkinism? What is it etymology?
> We want to understand it, but we don't. We either admit we don't understand their motivations, or we conjure justifications that make sense to us because they fit our framework of the world, even if they are not true.
How is it that we don't understand it? I would think there are studied perspectives that can give understanding to the patterns in Russian society. As a followup what would it look like to understand it?
> But I don't think 7 hours of cold hands rummaging through bare store shelves, shuffling babushkas, and men making ad-hoc repairs to cars will help me understand Russian aggressiveness. Maybe Russian suffering.
What would it look like if they did understand, and if so what would need to be known to understand Russian aggressiveness?
Isn't that the case for most of the news stories today.