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I think what I'd really like is some way to expand format strings into McDermott-style code (and ideally vice versa).

I think CL-PPCRE gets this correct for a similar domain: regex strings. The library is not pedantic about whether you provide the compact string or an expanded nice version.

    PPCRE> (parse-string "(ab)*")
    (:GREEDY-REPETITION 0 NIL (:REGISTER "ab"))
    PPCRE> (scan '(:greedy-repetition 0 nil (:register "ab")) "ababcd")
    0
    4
    #(2)
    #(4)
    PPCRE>

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Out of curiosity, how often do you find yourself using CL-PPCRE's S-expression notation? (This is a genuine question: I've never felt a desire for an S-expression notation for regular expressions, so I'm curious what I'm missing out on.)

Anyhow, while it's certainly possible to parse FORMAT control strings into S-expressions, ISTM that if you want them to be invertible back into FORMAT strings, you'll end up with control structure and constant strings being contained within the S-expression, with data extraction as a separate concern. IOW, you won't get McDermott's preferred style of interwoven control, data extraction, and constant strings. For instance, you could have this FORMAT control string

  "~<~{~A~^, ~}.~:>"

parse to something like

  (:paragraph-fill ()
    (:iterate ()
       (:aesthetic)
       (:exit-if-list-exhausted)
       ", ")
    ".")

but this still separates concerns the way FORMAT does, and the way OUT doesn't.

I never use it for regex, because when using CL, I tend to be authoring the regex from scratch. But I found it elegant and thought it might be useful to interpret someone else's hairy regex. But the reason I mentioned it, was because I thought it might be more useful to me for FORMAT... just because decades of Perl 5 taught me regex really well, but I don't get to use CL's FORMAT syntax every week. ;-)

Your further points are well taken.

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