Speculation that wormholes and entanglement are two aspects of the same thing
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What all this comes down to is a "mere" correspondence between some equations governing the way entanglement develops in time and the way some other gravitational systems evolve in time in a very specific sort of set up universe which is quite different from our own. Lots of physical phenomena have similar dynamical laws. Given the tenuousness of ADS/Cft and the differences between that imaginary universe and our own in number of dimensions and structure of spacetime, I think the assertion that these two phenomena supervene upon a shared ontological substance of some kind is provocative but hardly anything I'd write a New York Times article about. I mean for the lay reader this is basically bullshit which is more likely to confuse than illuminate.
That said, if this kind of reporting sparks the interest of a young physicist out there, I guess its mostly harmless.
What even is the point of this article? What is the mind bending secret? The holographic principle? Wormholes? Entanglement? It's unclear what the title was referring to, but none of these things are news. There's not even a well defined recipe at the end; we're just left with some kind of pop-physics stew.
Harvesting the data from those who clicked on this link - business as usual
Definitely lots of cases of Op-Ed contributors, especially, unhappy with seemingly borderline misleading titles given to their pieces.
I don't mind it too much as a reader, but it can suck as a contributor because everyone thinks they're your words.
Given that NYT devotes an entire section to the goings-on of old money New Yorkers, I’m not sure the bar is all that high.
And hey sometimes coincidences are just that, but other times they can lead to profound theories. I’m reminded of Monstrous Moonshine for which Borcherds earned the Fields Medal in 1998: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monstrous_moonshine
The term "monstrous moonshine" was coined by Conway, who, when told by John McKay in the late 1970s that the coefficient of q (namely 196884) was precisely one more than the degree of the smallest faithful complex representation of the monster group (namely 196883), replied that this was "moonshine" (in the sense of being a crazy or foolish idea). Thus, the term not only refers to the monster group M; it also refers to the perceived craziness of the intricate relationship between M and the theory of modular functions.
Given all the other ways in which they've degenerated and embarrassed themselves in the last decade, I supposed they were bound to start doing this one too.
> Take gravity, add quantum mechanics, stir. What do you get? Just maybe, a holographic cosmos.
Something tells me I'll be hearing a lot of confused misinterpretations of this over the next few days... A lot like the confusion over entanglement after this year's Nobel prize.
If you accept this, then it should be hard to mock someone who offers their own interpretation, since none of us know the answer to so many fundamental questions underpinning the physical universe in our cosmological plane of existence. At best, you knew more than he did about what we don't know.
Or you can look at the maths but I doubt you would want to do that... Anytime you dumb something down, something is lost. If you try to build back from something that's dumbed down then you get a mess.
If anything, the NYT is one of the few bastions of authentic journalism left.
On the other hand, I feel like it really missed the boat when it comes to the relation of entanglement to other properties of the macro universe. The notion that "geometry of spatial dimensions as emergent from networks of entanglement" is such an evocative idea that I don't understand how people aren't thinking about it all the time.
What if certain systems are in fact in the same "place", even if they appear to be light years apart? What does "appear to be apart" even mean?
To overuse an adjective, it's evocative. I do realize my understanding is barely that of a sparse layman, but it's still a fun mental toy to play with.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/tensor-networks-and-entanglem...
I'm not sure I agree. If reporting like this funnels more young physicists into doing this kind of research, which has been going on for decades without making any successful experimental predictions, then I don't think it's harmless.
Not only that, but this kind of reporting has a subtext: Science is the Authority. Even when Science tells you what seems like obvious nonsense. And that pernicious effect goes far beyond a few young physicists.
That is not to say that there aren't scientific claims that seem highly counterintuitive to the lay person, but which are nevertheless true. There are. But those claims are nailed down by massive quantities of experimental evidence that matches the predictions of the models to many decimal places. The speculative claims discussed in this article have no evidence to support them. Big difference. But you'll never find that out by reading these kinds of articles.
Can you highlight which claims that you find to be speculative without evidence? There's a mix of existing theories that are being actively studied in theoretical physics (holographic cosmology), and some claims that the author seems to call out in rhetorical question. I get that either will whoosh over the lay person.
All of those are speculative claims without evidence to support them.
The classical wormhole as an extreme fold in spacetime is mathematically _possible_, but given what we've observed in the universe, extremely unlikely to naturally occur.
> I would, however, agree that evidence could have been presented in the article, but I'm guessing the target audience for this piece may have never clicked into an array of academic papers.
If you know of any scientific papers that present evidence for AdS/CFT (or for wormholes, for that matter), please post links. I'm not aware of any such papers.
To get off the tangent, I've backed up the comment chain and am thinking about your original comments on the harmfulness of articles like this. At first I shared OP's sentiment that it is generally harmless, but the more I think about it, the more I take your stance. Curious what your thoughts are on exposing more people to theoretical physics sans popsci buzzword articles?
For anyone else who's following this thread, I would recommend checking out "The Trouble with Physics" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/108939.The_Trouble_with_...
I've also enjoyed her YouTube videos that have knocked down a lot of my popsci derived thoughts.
It's a great thing to try to do; I try to do it myself as a contributor to Physics Forums [1], for example.
I'm not sure how much good books like The Trouble With Physics actually do as far as exposing more people to physics sans popsci, because, while they might point out issues with how speculative research in physics is done, they don't actually teach any physics.
I personally would recommend Feynman's books for the layman, such as QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter or The Character of Physical Law, or Six Easy Pieces (followed by Six Not So Easy Pieces), as ways for people to get at least some exposure to physics without popsci buzzwords. IMO even those books are limited, because you can't really understand physics without actually doing the math and solving some actual problems. But they're still way better than popsci articles (or, for that matter, popsci books like those of Brian Greene or Michio Kaku).
Nitpick (one which I'm sure you are aware of but it might be relevant for other readers): Classical GR (including wormhole spacetimes and others) is mathematically rigorous. All objects are precisely defined and you can write down actual mathematical theorems.
In contrast, AdS/CFT is anything but rigorous. It's basically just lots of handwaving; it's a hunch that people have, based upon lots of mathematically rather non-sensical calculations.
So I wouldn't want to equate the two in terms of rigorosity / consistency.
So, your characterization of how modern physics works is completely wrong.
If by "relativity" you mean special relativity, nobody used it for anything when it was published. The first real use of it theoretically was to explain the Compton effect in 1921, based on experimental results. It took another decade or so for it to be routinely used, mainly due to its success in explaining the fine structure of atomic spectra and in developing quantum field theory.
If you mean general relativity, the first event that could be said to have gotten it "accepted world wide" was the 1919 eclipse expeditions organized by Eddington, which confirmed the GR prediction of bending of light by the Sun. And even then acceptance of it was still limited (see below).
Also, even before that, GR was known to correctly predict the extra precession of Mercury's perihelion, which could not be explained by Newtonian gravity. So that was a piece of evidence for GR that was known before it was published.
Note that even after the 1919 eclipse expedition and the 1921 explanation of the Compton Effect, relativity was still considered too "out there" to justify a Nobel Prize; when Einstein got the prize in 1922 the Nobel committee specifically excluded relativity from the scientific work by Einstein that was the basis for it.
Relativity was excluded from the prize for relatively obscure reasons, the then famous philosopher Henry Bergson objected to Einstein's concept of time at the time that the committee met to decide on the prize[1]. To top it off Alfred Nobel was not a fan of theoretical physics and made it clear that only experimentally verified theoretical results should be awarded[3]. This is at odds with the physics community. No prominent physicist has objected to relativity since 1910.
If you have actually studied physics, you will see that special relativity is "obviously" correct. There is no reasonable explanation of electromagnetism that doesn't logically imply special relativity. If you accept Maxwell's electromagnetic field equations, special relativity follows mathematically from it.
Theoretical Physics proceeds by exposing contradictions within theories and solving them.
1. Galileo challenged Aristotle's physics by assaulting the contradictory laws for heavenly and earthly bodies
2. Newton gave it a sound mathematical footing resolving contradictions between the laws of heavenly and earthly bodies
3. Maxwell resolved contradictions in Biot Savarts law by introducing displacement current and thus predicting that light is an EM wave
4. Special relativity eliminated the extra ordinary coincidence that prevented any physical experiment from distinguishing an electric field from a magnetic field, even in a theoretical setting, by proposing that the speed of light is constant wrt the observer [2]
5. General relativity solved the extra ordinary coincidence that we cannot distinguish gravity from acceleration while also resolving contradictions between gravity and special relativity.
These theoretical explanations were adequate by itself and did not need experimental verification to be celebrated. Because they solved long standing contradictions and coincidences in a simple compact explanation that reduced the axiom set in physics, not increase them.
That's what differentiates theoretical physics from experimental physics. Alfred Nobel had an aversion to theoretical physics, that's why Higgs had to wait for his prize for decades. But the physics community always knew that the Higgs boson existed. Otherwise, they wouldn't spend billion plus dollars on speculation.
Stanford would not hire Susskind as a professor in theoretical physics if the physics community thought his works are flights of fancy. The same goes for the Lucasian chair conferred on Stephen Hawking, who worked almost entirely in theory with very little experimental verification for his work. Einstein was offered professorships in theoretical physics at various institutions in the 1910s, including the prestigious ETH Zurich well before any sort of experimental verification of his theories.
[1] https://nautil.us/this-philosopher-helped-ensure-there-was-n...
[2] https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
[3] https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/63049/can-a-the...
In other words, the experimental confirmations of Maxwell electrodynamics can also be considered as evidence for SR. That's fine, but it contradicts your claim that SR's acceptance was purely "theoretical" and abstract.
> These theoretical explanations were adequate by itself and did not need experimental verification to be celebrated.
Einstein took a similar position. As one story goes, when he was asked what he would think if experimental tests contradicted the predictions of relativity, he said something like "Then I would feel sorry for the Lord, because the theory is correct."
All of which does not at all change the fact that, unless and until a theory makes accurate predictions, it cannot claim to be "scientific truth". "Solving theoretical contradictions" is fine and a worthwhile endeavor, but it's still not the same as making accurate predictions. String theorists wax lyrical about the same wonderful things you mention, but that doesn't change the fact that, unless and until string theory makes accurate predictions, it cannot claim "scientific truth".
> the physics community always knew that the Higgs boson existed. Otherwise, they wouldn't spend billion plus dollars on speculation.
By the same argument, supersymmetry would have been discovered at the LHC, since the physics community "knew" that supersymmetry was "right". But of course this prediction by many physicists is now notorious for its wrongness. Beautiful theories sometimes get spoiled by ugly facts. Nature doesn't always do what theorists expect.
As for professorships, obviously a professorship in theoretical physics is going to be based on someone's theoretical work, which might be judged by different standards than the standard of "scientific truth". Many theorists have come up with theories that didn't turn out to be right. That doesn't make them bad theorists. It just shows that theories need to be tested to see whether they make accurate predictions. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Nobody gets it right all the time.
The Michelson-Morley experiment was in 1887 and a whole bunch of theories resembling relativity were developed to explain it. SR itself was one of those, and the cleanest.
Empirical confirmation is not, in my opinion, a requirement for taking a scientific idea seriously. There is a lot of discussion of relativity in the threads on this comment, but most of it misses what I think is the salient point: _general_ relativity was formulated not because of any compelling physical observation which demanded a theory of curved spacetime or some other relativistically invariant theory of gravity. General Relativity was formulated because _special relativity_ more or less demanded that the effect of gravity propagate in some way coherent with the idea that causes and effects are ordered and move from place to place at a finite speed.
There is nothing wrong, in my opinion, with undertaking a research program on the basis of a compelling outstanding but purely theoretical problem. I don't think the existence of such research programs alone, nor their discussion in public per se, tends towards a kind of scientific authoritarianism. My problem with the article is entirely in how it communicates the ideas here, which is badly and, more importantly, without situating them in the greater epistemological context of progress in physics. I suppose the presenting the material without that context does kind of support "scientism" but such is so common in media that this doesn't seem like a particularly outstanding example. Really, the inability of the public or the press to understand science is a deep cultural and political problem of which this kind of reporting is just a symptom.
Taking it seriously as far as investigating it, I agree; you don't need empirical confirmation for that, indeed it would make no sense to insist on it, since at least one major point of investigating it is to see if you can find empirical confirmation (though you might have to expend a lot of theoretical effort to get to that point).
Taking it seriously as far as claiming it is true, no. For that you need empirical confirmation.
E.g. we could do a really hardcore investigation into whether the moon is made of cheese despite all evidence to the contrary. Then we could fly there have one guy be like "Yep it is not cheese". Then have a psychological analysis of that guy and send another one just to be sure, ad infinitum leaving nothing for actual serious, on the edge of knowledge investigations.
That overdriven would dadaist investigation is of course just a carricature I made up now, but the underlying issue is real: science costs us all and we should spend it where it helps. Sometimes that must also mean not knowing to which ends we do investigate something. But it should not become dadaist in a way similar to the outlined story.
Is the glossy, somewhat simplified discussion of quantum mechanics == gravity == anti-god particle also misleading? I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the 10th grade Algebra's imaginary number √-1 .
that said, just as in physics we went from the concept of an atom (meaning an undividable whole) to a big ball of nuclear soup with protons and neutron and bound electrons raving around, then even further to noticing an even crazier confluence of chaos of quarks and gluons constantly churning in the nucleus, like that in math we went from integers to reals to complex numbers to saying hold my beer and "dividing number fields with irreducible polynomials" (see algebraic extension) and discovering all kinds of madness.
in physics we used mightier and meaner matter smashers, in maths we used ... well, a similar amount of brute force of a certain kind, the kind that solved problems, rules of square roots be damned. and then it turns out that the rule was different all along, and congratulations now you have even more complicated numbers, the complex ones.
just as in physics there's the always gnawing question of "okay, but what explains that small blip in the data?" there's the one in math about "okay, sure, that question is so simple-looking it's outright ridiculous/dumb, but how come nobody was able to answer it in decades/centuries? what if ...?"
From the article:
According to Einstein’s general relativity, the information content of a black hole or any three-dimensional space — your living room, say, or the whole universe — was limited to the number of bits that could be encoded on an imaginary surface surrounding it.
I thought this was more according to the Bekenstein bound than GR.
It is. The article is most certainly not a good source from which to try to learn any actual physics.
I agree though that kind of optimism can be very motivational, which is great in an education system that is basically a water wheel of slapstick white gloves for you to stick your face in.
The moment Cliff Stoll has been preparing for!
And itself is based on two things: that they're absolutely black as in they don't reflect anything (that's what they believed when then the name came about), and that things can fall into them.
>A hole is not something, it is a cavity in something else
Well, and black holes can behave like cavities in the universe. They bend the surrounding area with their gravity so much that they end up forming a kind of cavity.
Compound names mostly come from associations, not careful logic.
Names in general are arbitrary symbols, not definitions.
Black holes, as we think of them as something, are really shadows. It'd be more accurate and less confusing to call them singularity shadows.
E.g. there are several theories about how our universe itself is the inside of a black hole, and so on.
But a well IS a hole in the ground and a pretty deep subject.
A water well is a special type of hole known as an excavation, meaning, of course, that it was excavated. Wells are not made by accumulating so many things that they just sink into the ground, and nothing is taken out of a black hole to create it.
An object with a relatively much smaller mass can take a hyperbolic orbit arbitrarily close to a star or planet without "falling in". Practical examples include <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hyperbolic_comets> and many small near-earth objects. Theoretical details in Newtonian gravity at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_trajectory> and there is a literature exploring post-Newtonian corrections for such "orbits" (in e.g. General (or Numerical) Relativity, or formalisms like gravitoelectromagnetism or effective one body, for cases where one or both bodies are "compact" (like white dwarfs or neutron stars), the mass-ratio of the bodies is close to 1, or one or both bodies are moving at large fractions of c, or there is some combination of these features).
An object can take a hyperbolic orbit arbitrarily close to a black hole without falling in.
Black holes were first formalized in the context of General Relativity; commonly one would use a different term to describe something phenomenologically similar but set in a different theory ("fuzzballs", gravastars, and so on). Fevers and spots appear in diseases with very different causal agents (any number of quite different bacteria, viruses, and other things may cause grossly similar symptoms in the victim). Likewise, apparent trapping surfaces can appear in many ways in different theories of gravitation or in different configurations of variables within a single theory of gravitation.
The important word in the previous sentence is "trapping": anything crossing that surface from the outside to the inside cannot cross back to the outside for arbitrarily long times. Differences in configurations on the inside of a trapping surface do not materially affect the outside at all. The "apparent" qualifier captures the possibility that the trapping surface does not go to the eternal future because of (for example) instabilities from quantum effects (Hawking-style), so we can take at all as meaning "for a very very very very verrrrrrrrry long time".
The observables of a black hole in General Relativity (in its form as a physical theory that adequately represents many physical features of our universe) are all outside the event horizon. Anything inside the horizon stays permanently inside. From the outside one cannot test the internal configuration. While the internal configuration is described in several black hole solutions to the Einstein Field Equations, nobody expects that just because the external configuration (outside the black hole) is a good physical model, that therefore the internal configuration must be a good physical model too. Roy Kerr makes this point almost every time he lectures about his solution for black holes with nonzero angular momentum (example: 48m04s mark <https://youtu.be/nypav68tq8Q?t=2884>, where he points out that the Kerr solution is a vacuum solution, and that adding matter inside the horizons is likely to dramatically change the black hole internal configuration. Note however that adding matter to the outside part of the Kerr solution is highly likely to be undramatic, and that is one reason why the Kerr solution is astrophysically useful).
Stars and planets differ from black holes in that there is no apparent trapping surface. You can shoot an electron neutrino right through the Earth or the Sun. You can't shoot an electron neutrino through a black hole: if it goes in, it stays trapped inside.
Your term "singularity shadows" presupposes that as we develop better solutions (numerical or analytical) of the Einstein Field Equations for (apparent) astrophysical black holes, the singularities that appear in e.g. the Schwarzschild or Kerr solutions will remain. That may not be true. I don't think the "shadow" part adds any accuracy.
It is not true that "gravity always implies matter". In General Relativity there exist several exact solutions to the Einstein Field Equations where there is significant spacetime curvature but no mass. Some of these usefully approximate features of the universe we observe, even though as far as we can tell there is no part of our universe that is completely free of matter (in the most general sense, including electromagnetic radiation), although large and growing regions are so sparse that the matter in them does not collapse gravitationally into clumps. This trend is just as much an effect of spacetime curvature as is the gravitational collapse of dust clouds into stars.
Finally, you can use whatever nomenclature makes you happy. It's just a fanciful term that covers a wide range of theoretical descriptions and astrophysical phenomena. Astrophysicists and theorists use "black hole" knowing that they may be talking about quantitatively and qualitatively different objects with fairly similar symptoms being presented. But they also know how to find, read, and understand a precise mathematical description that removes the ambiguities of English (and other languages) and any inaccuracies (in some settings a black hole may be a very weak greybody radiator; and in some settings "hole" may be less poetic and more descriptive, e.g. in Wheeler's bag-of-gold solution). Substituting some other pithy name for "black hole" doesn't help these physicists, and is unlikely to help anyone who doesn't know how to deal with the formal, unambiguous descriptions of them.
The same is true of a black hole. 90% of the matter orbiting a black hole will never fall into it.
Yes, as I wrote in the second paragraph:
>> An object can take a hyperbolic orbit arbitrarily close to a black hole without falling in.
It occurs to me that in your various comments here you are thinking of the point mass (or divergence of the Kretschmann scalar or whatever) as the black hole. Conventionally, and for good practical reasons, practically everyone working with astrophysical and theoretical black holes define the horizon as the black hole.
It's frequently tempting to think of the point-mass in Schwarzschild as the generator of the event horizon. After all, it's usually described as being a surface at r = 2GM/c^2, with "M" doing the heavy lifting, if you'll pardon the expression. However, Schwarzschild is an eternal black hole, rather than one that forms by gravitational collapse. For the case where there is some matter and no black hole -> some matter + a black hole, it is the early configuration of the "some matter" that generates the event horizon.
If one, following Lemaître-Tolman <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lema%C3%AEtre%E2%80%93Tolman_m...>, takes a spherical shell of radiation with a total momentum-energy comparable to a galaxy all moving radially inwards, and starts the spherical shell at billions of light-years from the shell's centre, then anything already at the centre (even a small interplanetary civilization) is already inside the event horizon before the civilization's home planet formed. Barring faster-than-light travel, nothing within (or produced by) the "victim" solar system will be able to cross outside a surface near the trailling edge of the inrushing radiation: at early times all possible low-speed trajectories from the victim solar system ultimately recurve back to a (set of) point(s) within it and at late times all possible high-speed trajectories recurve inwards.
Near the latest time in the collapse, everyone outside the victim solar system can conclude the victims are inside a black hole, even though for hours to days (and much longer, if we make the total mass of the shell extremely large) the victims inside will still be going about their business wholly unaware (because "c") of their fate. Horizon = yes. Singularity = no ("not yet", perhaps).
Finally,
> 90% of the matter orbiting a black hole will never fall into it.
is probably wrong, especially if one takes "never" literally. The dynamical spacetime in the near horizon region is on its own probably enough for orbital decay of anything in close orbit (a few tens of R_{crit} ~ R_{Schwarz.}) and there are plenty of forcing functions on bodies in elliptical orbits at greater remove, particularly in galaxy cenrtres and globular clusters.
What am I thinking now?
Technically, the meaning of the name is "defender of men".
this reasoning also applies to "infinity". it literally means NOT-finite. it refers to the lack of a thing: namely a biggest number.
then again, freaking language and maths sure make us able to think about these 'lack of [blank]' as if they were actual things (to the point that abstractly they are as real as it gets)
"Infinity" applies to the reasoning of what a hole is, but not to what a black hole is. A black hole is not not something. It is something, yet a hole is not something. Unlike a hole, a black hole is defined by its inherent characteristics, mass, spin and electric charge. A hole can only be defined by characteristics of what it is not, the empty volume of missing substrate.
my larger point was about how language 'creates' such real abstractions; sometimes with terrible names (your original complaint).
- "Hole" — things fall in and don't come out (more or less).
Plus they look like holes on those 2d representations of space-time.
Seems reasonable to me.
I wasn't willing to argue this before because my issue was not with the adjective. But actually black holes are not really black, they emit radiation.
> - "Hole" — things fall in and don't come out (more or less).
But things fall into any massive object like planets or stars, so "hole" is ambiguous. Things also fall out of holes, such as holes in a ceiling or screw holes.
> Plus they look like holes on those 2d representations of space-time. Seems reasonable to me.
It is a fair point to say that the hole of a black hole is a 4 dimensional hole, except that space-time is itself a 4 dimensional hole, leading to more ambiguity.
You keep repeating that spacetime were a hole. What makes you think that?
Definitely not true in math - if you take a circle (S^1 = { (x, y) : x^2 + y^2 == 1 }) it has a hole as defined by homotopy in the middle and there is no 'space' there. If you fill it with space you get a disk (D^2 = { (x, y) : x^2 + y^2 <= 1 }) there is no longer a hole as defined by homotopy/is contractible.
The one that defines the noun, "hole," as a hollow place in a solid body or surface.
> if you take a circle (S^1 = { (x, y) : x^2 + y^2 == 1 })
Black holes are real, but your circle can only "exist" in mathematics.
You are aware that General Relativity is about the most mathematical (and mathematically rigorous and mathematically advanced) theory we have in physics? Several predictions were made purely based upon mathematical arguments, without much physical input. So your argument that math were a "different realm" with no connection to reality is full of, uhh, holes.
In fact, I would argue mathematics is mainly a language that provides us with the precision that everyday language lacks, it's a tool that allows us to make precise arguments while ruling out logical fallacies.
In the present case it allows us to say very precisely what we mean by a hole. This definition[0] has been employed in countless predictions in physics and its usefulness has been confirmed by experiment. Meanwhile, your definition is vague at best.
[0]: Look up "simple-connectedness" or, more generally, "homotopy groups".
This straw man was not my argument. My argument is that circles only exist mathematically.
But it doesn't matter. The definition of a hole doesn't rest on the definition of a circle.
No I don't, and this is still a straw man.
1) If a hole is made of space, it doesn't follow that space is a hole.
2) Space is not spacetime.
Yes, it absolutely does, so long as there is no category error, and there is none here. The Universe is just an inconceivably large, curved hole with a tiny little bit of stuff in it.
> 2) Space is not spacetime.
Einstein and I disagree with you. Prior to Einstein's work, space and time were independent dimensions. But over 100 years ago Einstein showed that relativity of motion mathematically combines space and time into one, spacetime. For all intents and purposes, anyone talking about space today under any circumstances is also talking about spacetime whether time is specifically mentioned or not it is always there along with space.
You can say black holes are holes in spacetime with a big rock at the bottom.
The more I've thought about this, the more it seems wrong. Black holes are not a hole in spacetime like a puncture hole in fabric. There is no missing spacetime like there would be missing fabric. Black holes are more accurately a round 4D valley in spacetime rather than a hole in spacetime.
Who said puncture holes? Ground holes also exist you know.
There are lots of different definitions of "hole", and I don't think black hole is misleading to the layfolk. They're typically dark, like some holes. And like some holes, stuff falls in and generally doesn't survive the journey. To the physicist, they know that the words "black hole" just reference a physical object with lots of mathy description.
The more thorny question is whether/how wormholes could be created in the "modern universe" where they didn't exist before. My interpretation is that opinions vary widely on this, from "it's impossible because it would take an infinite amount of energy" to "we're pretty sure humans will be making these some day and we have a rough idea how they'll be doing it".
Of course, wormholes simply not existing anywhere is also compatible with relativity. None have ever been observed.
EDIT:
Nevermind, other comments are clearing things up for me.
The ny times article itself is of a much higher quality. The holographic principle has been established for decades now. HN is not the place where you will find useful discussions on physics.
I am a physics novice too, but I am familiar with Electro magnetic field theory and special relativity. Any physics discussion on HN is bike shedding, if not outright wrong. Veritasium on YouTube is probably the best educational physics resource out there.
For one thing, our universe is not an anti-deSitter space, and the attempts to move the AdS models to flat space have not been successful, so far.
If you have a reference showing that the holographic “principle” conforms to objective reality, please post it.
* "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait" - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html