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That building, on the 6th floor, contains a gym with a two lane swimming pool. I visited when I moved to Kyiv, about two months ago, when I looking to find a pool. I can see the building from my apartment (I'm on the 15th floor). I heard the strikes, this morning, at about 9.30am, and saw the plume of smoke rising from the impact site. There were more strikes, about 30 minutes later, a lot further away, and out of sight, so I don't know where they were.

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I know some people probably got injured or died but I just cannot help but wonder about two things. First, did the damage drain the pool. Second, if it did drain out what does a large pool draining out the 6th floor of a building look like? Does it end up leaking out from all sides? Does it just leak into the building in a way that isn’t visible from the outside? Does it cascade out, leaking entirely from one side via some unlikely but structurally possible crack that sprays it all in the direction of one side of the building where there happened to be a damaged window…

It’s by far the least important thing in the circumstances of this tragedy and my heart goes out to those affected by the important aspects of this strike. But I am simultaneously mesmerised by the how unlikely it is that you get a sudden and dramatic draining of a volume of water this big this high off the ground, I mean if you demolished a building you would drain the pool first, if you think the building might collapse you’ll drain the pool to remove extra load on the structure well before anything goes wrong… it’s just so unlikely that a full pool would be drained like this.

I would assume it would primarily go through the elevator shafts and emergency staircases. But water has a way to go through random paths. I live in a concrete building, a neighbour had a leak toward the center of the building, the water made its way through underneath the apartment floors and started pouring from the facade though I couldn’t see any opening.

this is really not the time, techdragon.

Oh man that sounds dreadful. The casualties at this time would have been disastrous if they couldn't WFH... And all civilians :(

You moved to Kyiv 2 months ago?!

I'm assuming he didn't move there from New York but another part of Ukraine. Kiev is relatively safe compared to parts closer to the front lines.

He moved from England: https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-07...

  > I have relocated to Kyiv, mainly because with what’s going
  > on I feel on an emotional level compelled to be here, to
  > stand against the horrors.
  > [...]
  > The route was Cambridge -> London -> Bruxelles
  >   -> Köln -> Berlin -> Przemyśl (Polish border town)
  >   -> Kyiv.

I was in Odessa for holiday in July. Very cheap airbnb, but there was night lockdown and pubs were closing early. Also beaches were closed (mines) but nobody cared.

What was the reason to select Odessa at this time?

Sun and sea :) And also price. Greece, Croatia, Turkey etc were bloody expensive this summer. Odessa is just 3 hours by bus from Chisinau that has regular flights.

Odessa is normally home to a great club scene too. The "Ibiza" club is easily one of the best in the world, regularly attracts top DJs like Black Coffee.

The food scene isn't incredible, but pretty good for Eastern Europe. Dacha restaurant is excellent. The city itself is beautiful with heavy French vibes, and of course from an European point of view it's filled with very conventionally attractive people.

I lived in Gibraltar for a year, then went to Kyiv via England (catching up with friends and family before heading over).

Why not? Kiev was a safe place to live until the current escalation. For example, much safer than the city of Donetsk and other cities close to the front line which are under fire almost daily since the beginning of the operation, many of them since at least 8 years, though not at such intensity.

There was no point in shelling Kyiv before, while russia manufactured false flag attacks on Donetsk for a long long time.

Go look for Patrick Lancaster on Youtube since 5 years ago. And you will know you have been on the wrong side by saying false flag in Donetsk. American have been doing false flag even worst than what you imagined of Russian is doing since Teddy's time.

What, next will you recommend me videos by Graham Philips? Why would I look at russian propaganda videos made by one of the fugitive pedophiles?

Yes, to help (economically - I have no military training) with the war.

Curious about what was where it actually hit. Seems pretty clear Samsung was not the target. Electrical substation "across the street" would be a probable target, but was missed.

I.e., did it hit a plausibly intended target, or miss?

I've blogged, here;

https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-10...

To my eye, the missile struck the roof of the low building next to the Samsung tower. The buildings there, as far as I know from looking at them, are light commerical - restaurants, shops, etc.

All of Ukraine is the intended target.

It's most certainly a miss. People have this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable. In reality these are still physical objects that are subject to mechanical failure/enemy action/entropy/whatever and the average failure rate is still such that you have to send a volley of 3 or 4 guided missiles downrange to absolutely guarantee a kill.

> this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable

The accuracy of Russian munitions has been demonstrably lower than NATO standard [1]. They’re also running low on good munitions, leading e.g. to land strikes by surface-to-air S-300s [2].

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-says-russia-has...

These attacks in Ukraine _were_ the good Russian missiles.

They're from a precious small stockpile of Russian precision weapons. And they wasted it on civilian targets.

S300 cannot strike Kyiv, not from where the the frontline has moved.

There was a whole article in the NY Times explaining how this is true for the Russians, but not the HIMARS being used by Ukraine.

Miss? Russia is indiscriminately firing missiles into dense civilian areas for maximum terror.

They did not miss.

There are always more specific targets in an area that cause more trouble destroyed than others. Blowing up a playground when nobody is there has to be counted as a miss when an electrical substation is nearby.

officially they didnt miss anything

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-defence-ministr...

>Russian defence ministry said in its daily briefing:

>"The goal of the strike has been achieved. All designated targets were hit,"

ergo this childrens playground was the intended target https://mobile.twitter.com/ArmanSoldin/status/15793548449511... https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1579357969577545729

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