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Do you remember when chinese were only able to give 1 single birth?

That policy never applied to ethnic groups, so the idea that the chinese government is trying to imprison ethnic groups to "re-educate" them is hard to believe

Concerning the MI6 story, it's not a conspiracy, when you share that kind of classified, military, materials with the public, your intent is not the truth, it's always manipulation, specially when the videos are always blurry, in the age of HD content, it's kinda fishy, maybe they want to obfuscate the imperfections, it gives me similar Colin Powell vibes

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/colin-powell-u-n-...

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None of what you mention presents plausible evidence of your statement implying that CIA/MI6 have monolithic control over information regarding the camps. Not to say they aren't manipulating information or have no involvement, but none of the evidence you present backs up your claim.

Enforcing the birth of children and sending people to camps are two very different issues.

The content not being HD could be explained by them using less detectable drones. I would imagine that flying a military or HD drone over sovereign territory would be dangerous and an act of aggression, so it's within the realm of belief that someone, perhaps covertly, used a drone less likely to draw suspicion, not easily detectable or traceable to foreign interests.

Moreover if you watch the Frontline (the same source you cited above) documentaries about Iraq, you'll find they present people working in intelligence at the time explicitly told officials Zarqawi was sketchy and that the information he presented was not supported by the intel they had.

I'm not saying it's a certainty without doubt that the camps are everything what some sources allege them to be, but it's also not certain without a doubt that they aren't.

> That policy never applied to ethnic groups, so the idea that the chinese government is trying to imprison ethnic groups to "re-educate" them is hard to believe

I’m trying to understand this paragraph. In your mind, in what way does the one child policy make any of this hard to believe? How does that policy change our understanding of what’s going on in these camps?

If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group"

They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups

The west is pushing this propaganda because it's a known fact that the US want to split the Chinese territory (Tibetan, Uighurs, Taiwanese) (same with Russia btw)

For the same reason they now, publicly announced, want to hinder China's development

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-lashes-out-latest...

> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups

This is a gigantic leap to a conclusion that does not logically follow the premise, and ignores evidence that requires no such leaps.

I guess it was the inevitable that the Chinese propaganda machine would make its way to HN.

> If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group"

> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups

Or, they just didn't deem the issue relevant enough to spend the resources to deal with it. China is a large country, some of those ethnic groups exist in remote locations, some very difficult to reach- it has been the case numerous times when a natural disaster occurred and aid was slow to reach those regions because of logistical difficulties.

Perhaps it wasn't that they are fine with the ethnic groups, but that they were indifferent and/or deemed them unimportant unless they had sufficient reason to think they warranted the attention/involvement.

Mind that just because they didn't want to lower their numbers, doesn't mean they have no issue with those groups, or that they wouldn't have issues with them if the situation and their perception of them changed.

Taiwan is not part of China. There’s nothing for the US to split.

I have never met a single person that isn’t a Chinese propogandaist that actually believes Taiwan is a part of China. It’s such an obvious calling card.

Literally every country in the world, including the USA, believes that Taiwan is a part of China. You're extremely uninformed on this matter.

The US does not consider Taiwan part of China. The US follows one China policy which is that they acknowdge Chinas position that it believes Taiwan is part of China.

That’s like saying “I understand you believe that the sky is pink.”

Hence she the US refers to it as strategic ambiguity. This is the same position that the likes of NZ and AU have.

So don’t go telling people they are uninformed when clearly you’re just here spreading propaganda.

You're just splitting hairs. It's the same picture.

There’s a reason why the CCP uses the One China Principle while countries like the US have One China Policy.

Don’t forget that the CCP advocated for Taiwan independence, and during an interview Mao said they would help Taiwan (Formosa) in its struggle for independence. During a conference in Moscow in the 1920s they referred to Taiwan as an independent nation and nationality. This only changed in 1943.

There’s no long China history with China. When the Dutch went to Taiwan there was no presence of Ming dynasty. And at no point in history had china ever controlled or ruled over Taiwan. The CCP has never even set food in Taiwan.

So it literally has no valid claims to Taiwan. Regardless of any opinions you may hold.

If that’s splitting hairs then there’s no point in discussing because you obviously don’t care about history or facts and only regurgitate propaganda.

Are you aware of the forced marriages to ethnic Han Chinese people? I am having trouble following your logic.

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