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meat can be a good source of omega-3, but the animal should be fed from pasture strictly, as their unequal ratio of o3/6 comes from their food, which is mainly corn and soybeans, which are very high in o6 and not o3… you can identify grass feed meat by looking at a yellow colour spectrum in their fat… but again, vegetables are way more healthier, cheaper and _rants-in-vegan_

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Vegetables and grain are not vegan unless they’re organic.

Crops are sprayed with glyphosate and all the commercial formulations include animal tallow.

Not sure if you are a troll or a "hardcore" vegan. I am a vegan and I think people like you are the reason why people take issue with veganism and make fun of it. Animals shit on the ground to make manure. Guess we can't eat the plants that benefit from animal labor. Oh wait, that's organic fertilizer.

The difference between being a vegetarian and being a vegan is that the latter avoids using any animal products, no matter how trivial the amount.

Glyphosate doesn’t make vegetables non-vegan, the animal fat used in its sprayable formulations does that. Vegetables and grains come with a slight coating of animal fat that is then mixed in with whatever food is made using those ingredients.

No, the definition of veganism clearly states:

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable"

The important part being "as far as is practicable". Nobody is a perfect vegan, as that is close to impossible, but you can get very close and prevent a lot of unnecessary suffering and lower your carbon footprint.

Certainly, if one can adhere to a non-animal diet, one can also adhere to an organic non-animal diet. It’s not like it’s an impossible choice to make; the produce and products are there.

The environment will thank you.

You are getting into territory where there isn't a consensus on whether it's "vegan" or not. The surface area of vegan practices is large and complex, and only certain core principles are shared by virtually all vegans. You probably won't find a lot of agreement from most vegans with your statement. Even organicly grown food uses organic pesticides, which could arguably be called not vegan due to killing insects. And there is organic meat after all.

A certain percentage of soil is made up of decomposed animals, so anything grown is not vegan by some arbitrarily strung out standard. Where do you draw the line?

not that insects do not deserve respect, as even if tiny, their brain structures are pretty complex but ha-ha-ha!

organic usually do not have any regulation and they use pesticides and herbicides and fungicide etc. plus the vast majority of organic farms underpaid labour that is a whole new treat to discuss! [0] not even their efficiency on large scale to feed a 7 billion human population

[0] i volunteered for about a year in programs like WWOOF

edit: and ah, huge farms are using fertilizers from rocks for the vast majority of the time, it would be a big treat to spread manure over thousands of hectares/acres and not even considering the secondary treat of having to shake it from time to time so it can be good absorbed in soil… and regarding organic farms using manure etc. please, i prefer you eating meat than supporting organic farmers overexploiting poor people thinking they have sacred asses that are helping the planet that is heating less than ~1 degree Celsius each 10 years with humans at full rage in industry :]

2ndEdit: not that i am happy or not caring about global warming; i am fine being vegan for years now and my options of cycling and using the public transport, not having children etc. but it is just about a short time (i hope) to politics roll laws about sustainability and the stuff can be more green again. as hoping on citizens being is just suicide. people are too static on their conformity of modern life, you know… what a disgrace changing excessive meat intake for some beans and 4 seat cars for some cycling and unpleasant fun on trains or buses

Most following a vegan diet don't care about that, and still consider themselves as such

Most don’t know!

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