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I have had a model 3 for four years and the autopilot has steadily gotten worse.

In summer 2019 we went on a road trip that was 10 hours of total driving (each way), where I actually drove for maybe 30 mins total. It was flawless and downright magical.

Since then we often have the car slam brakes out of the blue (once waking up my sleeping family and causing both kids to cry), and a few other times.

I have lost trust with the autopilot system. It’s that simple. And I LOVE my model 3, the supercharger network, all else.

I don’t know what’s going on over there but I am not remotely convinced that they have their act together with vision-only based autonomous driving.

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I drove a new M3 in Germany last week and was blown away by how well the assisted driving features worked. Below 60 kmh it also allows you to never touch the steering wheel while on the highway in a traffic jam.

For my purposes it seemed superior to the current Tesla system and after watching some comparison videos, my conclusion seemed accurate.

In your sentence are you referring to a BMW M3? Since Tesla also have an M3 (edit: albeit abbreviated) I was a tad confused by your second paragraph

Tesla is technically Model 3, not M3

It is but a lot of folks shorten it to M3 as well.

A knowledgeable car person will never, ever call the Model 3 an M3.

WXLCKNO is referring to the BMW M3, specifically the "BMW Traffic Jam Assistant".

Phantom braking is much improved on the FSD branch even during highway driving.

Went from 2022.16 to beta 10.69 and it was night and day difference. Haven’t had a single phantom brake in weeks.

Is Tesla planning on replacing the autopilot branch with FSD? Because right now autopilot is trash and it’s basically a shareware/free trial of FSD and I am not willing to upgrade based on my current experience with AP.

Yup 2022.24 should have a lot of the autopilot changes from the FSD branch. I haven’t tried it personally but reports are that phantom braking is reduced there too.

i have not had any phantom breaking in months also.

This could just mean it's safer now.

You've experienced many false positives (braking going off for no reason), which is not a surprise, because they're lower cost than false negatives (braking not going off when needed), so if you work in Tesla AI you're going to accept lots of them in exchange for a tiny reduction in false negatives.

But maybe 1 in 1000 people will get to experience the true positive (braking going off when needed) that would have otherwise been a false negative, and their life was saved as a result of the updates, unbeknown to them.

> Since then we often have the car slam brakes out of the blue (once waking up my sleeping family and causing both kids to cry), and a few other times.

And you still drive this car today? In the same mode?

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