New asteroid strike images show impact 'a lot bigger than expected'
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And when I went looking for more information about DART it turns out they did. the LICIACube. very cool.
So now the question is why was this not mentioned in the nasa show(perhaps I missed it) and why have I not heard anything about LICIACube from anywhere else(perhaps I missed this as well).
did LICIACube fail and every one is being quiet about it?
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Close up pictures showed that it is a lot less homogeneous than they expected, with huge boulders right on the surface as well. That doesn’t match with the measured mass and density since boulders are heavy and dense, but maybe there are more internal voids. But then when they touched it, the nitrogen gas that was supposed to blow some dust and sand into the collection chamber also threw a huge amount of material out and away from the probe. It may even have shattered some of the gravel, meaning that stuff is really more like styrofoam. It may still be silicates, but it is probably foamy. Think of pumice rather than sandstone or granite. Those giant boulders might be more like stage props than actual boulders. It will be very interesting to see what that stuff looks like when they get the samples back.
All those stories of hollowing out an asteroid and turning it into a habitat or generation ship for 50,000 people aren’t looking so prescient. :)
Of course on the other hand it could turn out to just be selection bias: sample return missions are obviously going to pick a low–density asteroid that they hope will at least have some dust they can scoop up, instead of picking a really dense one that might turn out to be too difficult to collect from.
Also, I’m ignoring the dwarf planets that happen to be in the asteroid belt, like Ceres. We can reasonably expect them to have some real rocks.
Even simpler then, insert giant balloon in the middle, pump it up, cover walls with concerete and you have habitat, no expensive drilling and hollowing out.
> Heating and melting foam is harder than solid rock or metal
You can grind it, then blow it with very hot gas onto your baloon, making a nice melted coat of rocks. This technique is already used to repair metal rotor shafts, it deposits machinable metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAeBpF84Q9M
Hollowing out an asteroid is more about raw materials and micrometeorite/particle shielding, both of which a slushy will provide in abundance.
If it's as loose as that then you could just put an inner steel "pressure" hull (the actual pressure from the outside would be negligible but it'd have to be able handle a human compatible air pressure) inside the asteroid and use the asteroid material as a radiation shield instead I guess.
Would work for a base but not for a ship with any appreciable thrust would shed material.
It would be very interesting to figure out how far away we are from the technology to send a "Seed" probe to a large conglomerate asteroid, designed to replicate itself into thousands of builder-bots. Then the builders would slowly but surely turn the asteroid into millions of assembler-chunks consisting of layers of concrete and metal. Then those assemblers would connect to each other, turning into sections of habitat hull.
Basically do it like Mother Nature does it: tiny building blocks that self-assemble into bigger building blocks that self-assemble into bigger building blocks, over and over. In other words, proteins into DNA/lipids/etc, DNA/lipids/etc into organelles, organelles into cells, cells into muscles/organs/etc. Not saying it would be squelchy organic technology, just that the process would look similar from a high level. Maybe it would look like self-assembling Lego!
Seed probe -> Processing-bots -> raw material -> fibrous, metallic, and concrete-like Assemblers -> various types of building blocks.
The live coverage just made it look slow and small.
Terrifying capabilities for such soft and fluffy, brittle things.
Good thing it wasn’t torus-sized or they might have missed!
More seriously though, there is as always math for this. For an object to remain torus shaped it has to resist gravity trying to pull it into a more spherical shape around the centre of mass. More info here if your curious https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/2092/501
The short timescale of nuclear war decision-making is chaotic, destabilizing, and has almost led to *accidental* apocalypse several times in the 20th century. Slow, deliberated deterrence could take uncertainty and accident out of the equation.
It's a good hypothesis that humanity developing asteroid deflection is more dangerous than not; that the optimal course is to do nothing.
(Fortunately, kinetic impactors like this project are borderline useless/harmless anyway (other than as basic research). Sagan was writing from the more ambitious worldview of the 20th century; a world where, if an asteroid is a problem, you cut a straight line through the problem with nuclear weapons. That's a more hazardous toolset!)
What they can't say yet, is if the asteroid's trajectory was effected, at all.
Wait, seriously? Maybe I should have paid more attention to the relative scale of these things. That makes it sound like the most reasonable expected outcome is total obliteration.
Your toenail is affecting the asteroid's trajectory, by laws of physics. That adds nothing to this conversation.
There! That's what I was looking for. So they were expecting a miniscule change, and instead they were pleasantly surprised by the evidence and are now expecting a very tiny change?
I think the real takeaway here is just that something unexpected happen. They're monitoring as they would have regardless, and results will come in time. Expecting results and/or a conclusion this early is, well, jumping the gun.
They are hoping to see a change in its velocity of a fraction of a mm/s.
https://youtu.be/U0nZvOm3bNs?t=415
It is a small value, but its a measurable fraction of the the velocity of its orbit around the primary (about 12h).
They know the momentum that the impacter had. They had an estimate of the mass of Didymoon and its velocity. They are interested in how much of that momentum was transfered to Didymoon and how much was carried away from ejecta.
You know, I have my doubts about the practical benefits of this whole operation given that there aren't any planet killers lurking in the asteroid belt for at least a century, and so I suspect this was sold with a planetary defense angle because a bit of a scare is a good way to loosen the pocket book. That said, maybe we could justify rebuilding Arecibo along similar lines. I believe they were in fact using it as a near Earth radar gun and it was even initially constructed as a defense project.
The mission as approved 3 years before Arecibo collapsed and final assembly of the spacecraft was done half a year before. https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/dart-timeline-from-build-to...
The loss of Arecibo was a loss to the mission as the pictures that you most often see of Didymos were from Arecibo.
The mission itself was also a technology demonstration of a camera, autonomous navigation using that camera, solar arrays, new antenna, and ion thruster design. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Asteroid_Redirection_Te...
2. China has an Arecibo-class device. Actually bigger than Arecibo. Do we need two? Considering that the whole Free World could not scratch together enough money just to maintain Arecibo, building it again seems beyond possibility.
I'm not all that familiar with any of the big radio telescopes, but I thought that China's didn't have the active radar capabilities that Arecibo did. That said, I find it sad that something like Arecibo was possible to build and maintain in the 60's but not now. I suppose that has to do with the perception of it moving from defense project to science project.
That said, I would think runaway climate change or nuclear war are much greater threats to civilization (though humanity would probably survive in some form), so those are probably where the effort should go if survival of human civilization is your thing.
One struck the ice sheet in Canada only 12,800 years ago that wiped out 30+ genera in North America including camels, horses, cheetahs, mammoths, mastodons, giant ground sloths, dire wolves, sabertooth cats, a giant beaver, and a giant bear. Their bones, and Clovis spear points, appear only below a thin stratum with massively elevated platinum concentration.
Radar is just a matter of putting the right antenna horn on the focal carriage, wired to appropriate gadgetry.
Just FYI, this should be affected.
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> On Sept. 26, DART crashed into Dimorphos at a speed of 6.6 kilometers (4.1 miles) per second. The impact should have changed Dimorphos' orbital period around Didymos from 11.9 to 11.8 hours — a difference of just 4.2 minutes. This will pull Dimorphos slightly closer to Didymos.
(Random aside, the sayings gospel Gospel of Thomas is attributed to Didymus Judas Thomas, effectively Twin Judas Twin, obviously such a twin that they named him that twice)
But, from word of mouth, UBlock Origin is more consistent.
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The more stuff getting knocked free, the less momentum gets imparted to the asteroid itself, so the less its course is changed.
You slam something into it, and that changes the asteroid's momentum because total momentum is conserved in a collision.
If the asteroid stays in one piece, then after impact, it will be going sideways at some particular velocity. If instead some pieces break off and speed off at a greater sideways velocity, then the parts that didn't break off have to be going at a smaller sideways velocity.
In other words, if some debris breaks off, it carries away more than its "fair share" of momentum, and the remaining part gets less momentum.
If we only spot an incoming asteroid on its final approach we are screwed no matter what we do.
DART is testing what we can do when we find a near earth asteroid that is going to pass near earth harmlessly but the "gravity assist", if you will, of this encounter with earth's gravity well sets it up to crash into us next time it comes around.
There is a specific volume of space (keyhole) that should the asteroid pass through it at the most unfortunate time (for us) it will hit earth during the next encounter. We just need to make sure it doesn't pass through that bit of space at that exact time. Knocking the rock sideways or slowing it down or even speeding it up are all valid strategies.
You may remember a while ago there was much concern about an asteroid named Apophis. When it was discovered, it's orbit wasn't so well understood and the error bars (more like error ellipse) included a keyhole that would set it on a collision course. Further study reduced the error somewhat but worryingly didn't rule out the keyhole, meaning that the odds of a hit started to appear more likely. Imagine something with 1/1000 chance of happening. Then you rule out 900 possibilities and end up with a 1/100 chance. This caused even more detailed study of its orbit to take place and the error was narrowed to the extent that the keyhole is ruled out entirely and now there is no concern Apophis will hit us in the foreseeable future.
> Hubble images from 22 minutes, five hours and eight hours after impact show the expanding spray of matter from where DART hit.
> The Hera mission, which is scheduled to launch in October 2024 and arrive at the asteroid in 2026, had expected to survey a crater around 10 metres (33 feet) in diameter.
A nuke is essentially reduced to a flash of ionizing radiation and a few kilograms of gas rapidly cooling and diffusing into the vacuum of space.
Or we strictly prefer not sending nukes up there outside WWIII scenario. But then plenty of satellites have/had nuclear fuel as main source of energy, just not critical mass for anything BAM, just nasty dispersion in the upper atmosphere threat.
One of of the big problems with nuking asteroids is, as in this case, if it's a rubble pile then it can be considerably difficult to get enough physical contact with it to even meaningfully effect it.
Hence the reason for DART: we've got an impressive something but the question is did we even successfully deflect the trajectory of the bulk of the material?
Particularly if the big one would miss, but many of the saller ones don't.
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The gist was, we've crashed into a single asteroid. There are zero conclusions we can draw from that sample size. So "a lot bigger" just means someone didn't consider the true range of possibilities.
There are more people on earth than only Americans, okay.
P.S. All jokes aside, all NASA people are probably very smart and sh!t, but please also think about all other people on earth. If you fvck up, you fvck up for everybody. Noblesse oblige. Space is pretty much unknown territory, be careful.
Yes, this is exactly why we are shooting shit at asteroids. So we do know what happens, so when that dark time comes and we need to shoot something at an asteroid to save a billion lives we know how to do it correctly.