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The thing is of all the things Musk promised over the last decade literally nothing happened.

Remember the fully autonomous vehicle "by next year" in 2013 ?

The boring company solving your commute issues by 2020 ?

The 500 000 first fully autonomous tesla S of 2020 that were supposed to be sold to uber ?

The cyber truck which is "just around the corner" ?

This guy is selling dreams, I can guarantee you in 10 years we still won't have fully autonomous teslas, anything close to a proper robot or underground highways made by the boring company other than a few demos to milk the last investors who still believe in him

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> The boring company solving your commute issues by 2020 ?

Where when? Please show a source. I have followed Boring pretty closely and that was never claim.

> The cyber truck which is "just around the corner" ?

The Cyber truck is certainty delayed, no question, but that's not that crazy of a thing.

The have invested billions in the production facilitates for the product and there is every indication that this is product will be released.

If Tesla was not making progress at all this would be a major issue, but they are growing fast still. So they managed to grow the company even without the Cybertruck. That seems to be a good thing given the potential the company still has with that truck.

> /nderground highways made by the boring company other than a few demos to milk the last investors

Boring company is still in operation and has number of projects. Has any investor lost money? And Musk himself is the largest investor.

What investors have lost money in Musk companies? What investors has he dis-pointed. You seem to make an impassioned argument that investors are being milked dry by Musk. But who? Tesla and SpaceX certainty have made investors happy. Boring hasn't lost money from anything I have heard.

You have a loose definition of "all" and "literally nothing."

I don't expect entrepreneurs to be 100% successful in every venture and the things he has delivered on are pretty substantial.

I agree that it’d be nice if he could deliver on more of his promises, but selling dreams is basically the job of upper management.

Also, most other companies promise really mundane and uninteresting things. Sure, they deliver, but it’s still not much fun.

> but selling dreams is basically the job of upper management.

And evaluating the dreams and funding them is the job of investors. Just following the hype betrays your own money, your own agency, and possibly makes the world a worse place. (The Hyperloop myth has only served to hamper high-speed rail adoption)

We all know this is a big advertisement for Tesla's stock, and maybe advertisements for workers to join Tesla. Now we can discuss if its worthwhile for shareholders and/or engineers to consider what was seen here.

> The Hyperloop myth has only served to hamper high-speed rail adoption

One guy wrote a badly sourced article claiming this and now its a proven fact.

Its total nonsense. Even if you believe that Hyperloop was some 4D chess against HDR (and it wasn't) then its still insane to suggest it has anything to do with the problems of HSR.

The HSR project started in the 90s and has been struggling the whole time. Blaming a few statements by Musk made in 2014 that 99% of the population no nothing about is delusional.

HSR funding wasn't cut because of Hyperloop. Literally no California government action happened because of Hyperloop.

I seriously think you are letting your dislike for Musk overwhelm basic logic.

Please, explain what Hyperloop has accomplished then. Its been 9 years since Musk proposed it in 2013.

You're latching onto a single phrase of my post and ignoring the problem here. Elon Musk proposes many things, some of which are harmful, in the hopes to gather investor money.

My point, is that investors (ie: shareholders) need to think about what to fund, or not to fund. Engineers who apply to his company, need to think about which teams to support and which teams to ignore.

I don't think that this Tesla Robot thing / Optimus has any hope of accomplishing anything useful. Disney / Boston Dynamics / Honda / etc. etc. have gotten far further with robot technology if anyone actually wants to join a competent team.

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If Hyperloop isn't weirdly bad enough for you, then Elon Musk's random obsession with Bitcoin and Dogecoin was also quite harmful.

> Please, explain what Hyperloop has accomplished then.

Nothing. I didn't make any argument that they hyperloop was good.

Not sure where I got the idea that I did.

> Elon Musk proposes many things, some of which are harmful, in the hopes to gather investor money.

He never gathered investors for the hyperloop. So not sure why you would bring it up as an example.

> I don't think that this Tesla Robot thing / Optimus has any hope of accomplishing anything useful.

Well, Tesla is a pretty big company, this project is a tiny part of their budget and is heavily based on projects they work on for other things as well.

And Tesla and Musk clearly disagree that this could be useful.

Again, please tell me what investor has Musk harmed.

I guess people might have bought some crypto currencies because musk likes them, but that their responsibility and those people are not investors. Musk never said those things will make money for them.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/elon-musk-258-billion-dog...

Don't just trust anything this guy says. Evaluate and think.

So by "investors" you meant "people who bought Dogecoin thinking it would be a good investment".

Personally that sounds more like Elon Musk has allegedly harmed gamblers.

By "investors", I mean Elon Musk fanbois who got burned listening to his tweets on Dogecoin.

The same fanbois who are about to get burned on this Optimus robot and Tesla stock, IMO anyway. This is all a huge waste of money for the car company.

The same fanbois / Tesla investors who got $Billion of dollars of Tesla's investment money trapped in BTC at the height of the Bitcoin bubble.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/tesla-converted-75percent-of...

SPO -> $Billion gathered from Tesla shareholders / investors, that money went into BTC and WAS GAMBLED by the technoking. But no biggie, they'll just SPO again and get more money from the next set of share buyers.

Were you also saying Tesla fan were stupid when Tesla invested in its own manufacturing when everybody said 'Just go to Magma'. And then again when they made their own batteries?

Overall Tesla strategy has been very good and it has made most people money.

Its just your opinion that this has now changed.

SpaceX too inconvenient?

Yes, autopilot/FSD isn't there yet. Otherwise, Tesla is on a great track and growing like mad. How is he over promising with Tesla? Yes, Semi/Cybertruck are late, but it seems they are about to come to market. Meanwhile the Model Y is growing like mad, might have delayed the new models.

Yep. Seems like all auto manufacturers are struggling with supply chain management, causing delays. Most manufacturers don't talk about future products at all.

They often do, and the wait might be longer than with Tesla. Just look how long the ID.Buzz has been teased until it came onto the road. They also constantly show prototypes at trade fairs which never make it into production at all or only significantly changed (usually much more boring).

> How is he over promising with Tesla? Yes, Semi/Cybertruck are late, but it seems they are about to come to market.

Do you also believe that the Cybertruck will be able to "briefly serve as a boat"? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1575508498430820352

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