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I was curious about these competing claims, so I googled for the answer.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/317337...

Dated Sept. 28, 2022

"In total, the United States has now committed approximately $16.9 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since January 2021. Since 2014, the United States has committed approximately $19 billion in security assistance to Ukraine more than $16.2 billion since the beginning of Russia’s unprovoked and brutal invasion on February 24."

I'm not sure that all of the money/material has yet reached Ukraine. But that is what is said to be committed.

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Most of the weapons given to Ukraine have been lost and unaccounted for.

CBS published this report on the missing weapons stolen by corrupt groups operating within Ukraine. Shortly afterwards they were forced to amend a statement that someone is trying to track the newer shipments, without explaining any sort of actual plan for accountability.

War is racketeering. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzxbS8eUKc

This story was retracted by CBS because it turned out to be hugely misleading and is no where near the truth about the situation today. Trying to pass it off as such is at best misleading and at worst actively malicious.

But even going down that path of thinking, it’s amazing Ukraine has decimated the Russian armed forces with only a fraction of the weapons they were supplied with!. /s.

The story was not retracted by CBS, they only removed a quote.

You seem motivated to hide corruption lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_mafia

I’m motivated to refute Russian propaganda. Something you seem motivated to spread. The quote was the only part that talked any solid numbers about aid to Ukraine, so how can you even make and analysis.

You also never mentioned the quote is from the very start of the war and how the situation of supplies is very different now.

CBS is America, not Russian? The history of Ukrainian political corruption predates the war from Russia.

Russia is a corrupt aggressor, but that does not mean Ukrainian abuses should be ignored. Zelensky is not allowing Ukrainian citizens the freedom to leave the country for safety.

How is it different now?

What does limiting who can leave the country during war time have to do with corruption? The narrative of Ukraine loosing most western weapons was started by Russia and then they dropped it since UA advance was clearly showing them to be total BS.

Zelensky gets more money the longer the war drags on. If Ukrainians are allowed freedom to exit to safety, then Zelensky and the oligarchs will not reep as much donations.

Interpol chief is Russian??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/02/ukraine-weapon...

lol you have no idea what you’re talking about.

You obviously do. Yes Ukraine should just surrender and no you are not spreading Russia propaganda

> lol you have no idea what you’re talking about

You have added some useful links to this discussion but this is the second time you’ve undermined your own argument by laughing at the person you’re responding to. Please be aware of the Hacker News Guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

Note how the Interpol chief used the future tense. Why did he talk about the future with such certainty? It would be unthinkable that he was "influence" to make such claims for a certain purpose.

> CBS is America, not Russian? The history of Ukrainian political corruption predates the war from Russia.

CBS is American but this idea that the majority of weapons aren’t being in Ukraine cause they are being sold or stolen or lost _is propaganda_. Nothing supports this idea for the current phase of the war and people have generally moved on from this narrative.

This is the funniest angle that Russian propoganda stopped pushing like a month ago because they realized how bad it makes their army look.

Also important to remember a portion of funds is being allocated to "trade up" soviet equipment in NATO countries to modern US variants. E.g. US gives modern US tanks to say Poland and Poland gives soviet tanks to Ukraine. Also some equipment has limited shelf life so if not used it would have being replaced in the next few years anyway.

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