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I can't believe people are still seriously trying to argue this.

You count "things."

You don't count "not things."

Arrays are containers of things. Starting with 1 is overwhelmingly likely the thing that makes sense when using them.

Arrays aren't just used for counting though. For example, the origin in cartesian coordinates is "0,0" and not "1,1". Not to say that I disagree, I don't think I've come across a situation where 0-based indexing would have been better for me personally. But there are definitely a lot of situations where I can imagine it would be preferable, like pretty much whenever you're doing math with them.

I'd say containing things is just one function of arrays. The other arguably more important function is "naming" things using numbers.

Sure, but it seems like the latter isn't hurt by 1 indexing either, especially if the "names" are arbitrary, and if not, use associative?

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