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Putin says nuclear threat is no bluff

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> Nuclear blackmail is also used. It is not only about the Western-encouraged shelling of the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, which threatens an atomic catastrophe, but also about statements by some high-ranking representatives of leading NATO countries about the possibility and admissibility of using weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons against Russia. I would like to remind those who make such statements about Russia that our country also possesses various means of destruction, some components of which are more advanced than those of NATO. If our territorial integrity is threatened, we will use all the means at our disposal to defend Russia and our people. This is not a bluff.

From https://pastebin.com/9jGGjyRD, transcript of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7ICK2zNTBE

Seems that Russia's plan is to quickly make Donetsk and Luhansk part of Russia with their sham referendum, and then threaten a nuclear attack if anyone breaches this territory. The rest of the world will force Ukraine to stop their counterattack at that point. And that's hopefully how it will wash out.

No one recognises these referendums. Russia can stamp its feet all it wants about protecting the sham territories they have but its not going to make anyone back down.

Why should Ukraine stop now? Russias been threatening to nuke everyone pretty much since the war started, Ukraines also hit Russian targets _in Russia_ multiple times and nothing happened.

This ends with

> We should do all we can now to prepare a massive political response that might deter Putin from crossing the nuclear line.

What would this possibly be? At this point, he must be feeling pretty secure that whatever he does he'll just face more scolding

There's an article from earlier this year that I wish I could find, that basically says the longer the west waits to stand up to Russia, the worse it will eventually be when we have to. I think this is coming true, and will continue to get worse

I don't think that currently the west needs to do more than supply Ukraine all it needs to stand up to Russia. And the west is currently doing that, or very close. I don't see how much more they have to do before you think they're actually standing up.

Many western outlets are still operating in Russia. That should stop immediately. Maybe months ago this was excusable, but now it's not. You don't get to point a gun at the head of the world and also enjoy global fashion and luxuries.

Q: What can we do to stand up to someone threatening to use nuclear weapons?

A: Close our remaining fashion boutiques.

Seriously?

Yes.

Q: What can we do to make life uncomfortable for a country invading another country.

A: Close fashion boutiques.

The fact that companies have sat idle all the way to the point at which nuclear threats are being discussed and still haven't closed is a moral abomination. We have directly seen how much of a motivator the prospect of being conscripted into the Russian army is, with people protesting and criticising the government that previously supported them, at least publically. There is a class of Russian who is comfortable, and they have no right to be. When they are uncomfortable, they will demand change. Westerners should not facilitate that comfort.

It seems like you genuinely think that closing fashion boutiques will stop Putin from using a nuclear weapon, and you seem to be comparing the loss of these boutiques to being conscripted into the army.

I don’t think you are being sensible.

The Russian people will do it themselves when their lives are stripped of everything that makes them worth living. The prospect of being held to their imperialist beliefs and conscripted is enough to turn nationalists against their own government. It can be done, it's merely a question of motivation.

Sure. But you think that losing fashion boutiques is going to motivate them? I mean sure, it may supply an infinitessimal increment of motivation. Do you think it's really going to be enough to matter?

Closing fashion boutiques isn’t going to do anything to “strip away everything that makes their lives worth living”. It’s a bizarre suggestion that a lack of access western clothing brands could have this effect.

There are in fact Russian clothing brands and tailors, who are just as good.

Personally I'm not convinced that continuing to take it out on the russian people in hopes that what, they voted Putin out, or stage a coup, is the best way forward. I'm sure there's been lots of thought put into this already. But like as an extreme, I don't hold the North Korean people, who by all accounts have a very poor standard of living, accountable for not overthrowing their government. I don't think that pushing Russia towards anything like that is good for anyone

Yeah sadly theres nothing much to do besides what's being done and waiting for a lot of Ukrainians and a lot more Russian conscripts to die, basically call Putin's bluffs until he kills himself politically with body bags and the either inner circle feels he is unpopular enough to remove or the dissenting population becomes numerous enough that they actually feel numerous enough to change something.

"This time I really mean it," he bluffed.

The nature of all bluffs is that the bluffer insists they're not bluffing. Otherwise it is by definition not a bluff.

But he only "said" he's not bluffing.

If he "insisted" that he's not bluffing, it would be much more worrisome.

I’m surprised no one close to Putin has assassinated him yet, but I imagine he suspects that and takes measures to prevent it.

With the recent mystery deaths, I think most of his associates fear for their life right now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_businessmen_myste...

Absolutely. Putin probably has their families at the end of a barrel in case they feel inspired to do something about him.

Only while he is alive.

If you were an associate, wouldn't this make you more, rather than less, likely to assassinate him? I.E. if I don't take action I'll be thrown out a window next anyway?

If you get caught by one of his bodyguards, they'll make an example out of you.

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