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Things are going to get ugly. Wish they would have reached a truce early on.

A truce? This was an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country by another nation, with deliberate targeting of civilian population.

Better than billions dying in thermo nuclear war cuz that’s where this seems to be heading.

The intermediate steps to where you think this is going would be invasions of the Baltics, other FSU nations, Poland, and Finland.

The safest way forward is for Russia to be comprehensively defeated in Ukraine.

If Russia takes Finland what happens to Linux?

They would in either case. Give Russia what it wants in Ukraine and it will tell you what parts of Poland it considers theirs and threaten nuclear war as the alternative. The only good news: it'll stop once it reaches its eastern border.

You cannot appease a fascist state.

https://www.icanw.org/dealing_with_nuclear_anxiety

There is this famous tweet that I am unable to find, that essentially says:

"If you tell Ukraine to just surrender the parts Russia want, please point to the parts of your country you would surrender if one of your neighboring states attacked your country."

Russia will be dealing with separatists attacks and assassinations for several decades on the occupied territories. For me this is one of the reasons for this new partial mobilization.

We’ve been trying to get rid of Florida since bugs bunny!

> please point to the parts of your country you would surrender if one of your neighboring states attacked your country

Oh, that's fun. Just imagine if Florida was ceded to Cuba.

Mississippi and parts of California.

I think a fair number of people who live in countries divided among factional and/or ethnic lines would actually welcome certain undesirable parts of them splitting off. I know I would cry crocodile tears over Florida ending up as part of Cuba. Or Mexico. They can take Kentucky, too.

The problem here is that the war doesn't seem to be about Donbas.

Yes. And if you tell Ukrainian men and women to fight to their deaths, ask yourself if you would sacrifice own life (or your children's).

No war AND I can get rid of Quebec?

Sounds like a win-win to me!

Bloody catalonia can go to France, Andorra, or sink under the Mediterranean, i wouldn't mind at all

Quebec

I wish they didn't attack Ukraine at all.

A truce would've just given Russia what they wanted, and given them more time to mount the next and inevitable attack.

For every bullet produced and soldier trained by Russia, the west can train 20, and they could be in Ukraine if needed. 'next attack' would be an even bigger disaster

This is true, but then we'd leave the people in occupied territories to the Russians, and with the amount of mass graves and torture victims we continually discover that's probably as good as a death sentence.

You mean after the illegal annexation of the Crimea in 2014?

No, no truce. A truce can only happen when Russia leaves Ukraine and pays restitution.

Otherwise, you'd be creating an incentive for countries to invade smaller countries and then ask for a truce when they're losing.

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