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There are so many pictures in this complaint.

There aren't just one, two, ten. Scroll down - there is an obscene number of photos here.

From a quick skim, most of them show people dropping off two ballots. Some show three or four, maybe five in one case, but it seems most show just two.

The lawsuit quotes these rules for using the drop box:

> You must only return your own ballot. You are prohibited from delivering or returning any else’s ballot, even if that person is your spouse, parent, child, grandparent, other relative, neighbor or friend.

Is there any reason to believe this is anything more than people simply bending the rules to drop off their spouses’ or other family members’ ballots?

I think some fraud happened (elsewhere), but that doesn't mean those pictures are evidence of fraud (even though maybe a violation of law). Could they just be dropping off household family members' ballots as a favor, or way to save gas?

These are almost entirely people delivering 2 ballots. Likely the case that they are delivering a ballot for a spouse.

According to the document, that is not technically allowed.

Important to note that the document does not indicate some sort of conspiratorial fraud.

"An obscene amount" is around 250, most of which are someone dropping off two ballots. The report itself says around 300 potentially invalid ballots. Probably less than the amount of miscounted ballots.

I am convinced there was fraud in the 2020 election. Enough to give Biden the win? Maybe not, but fraud nonetheless.

There was some fraud, yes, not a whole lot, and so far only on the Republican side. But to swing an election at the national level it would require millions of votes. That's a tall order.

It would take tens of thousands of votes in a handful of specific states, but yeah, it would requires a vast conspiracy. Trump Republicans are trying to just that under the assumption that the 2020 election was stolen anyway. Which is, uh, not great.

> There was some fraud, yes, not a whole lot, and so far only on the Republican side.

https://news.yahoo.com/20-arrested-florida-voter-fraud-03401...

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search

Both those links don't show any fraud on the Democratic side.

Do you know how American presidential elections work? It would require thousands (not millions) of votes in specific states. Popular vote (where Biden beat Trump handily) is not how elections are decided here.

If that belief is based on solid evidence that you have, many people would pay you millions of dollars for it.

Did you miss the parent article? There are many, many photos of people returning multiple ballots (300 people at a minimum), which don't belong to them, something that is illegal. Are they Republicans, Democrats? I don't know. Is this a sign of a healthy election? Not really. In a country with an electoral college where a few thousand votes decide a presidential election, elections need to be a lot tighter.

Personally I had no idea it was any more illegal to deposit your spouse's mail-in ballot than it would be to drop off their mail-in rebate. I expect most people are the same and would've dropped off their partner's ballot or their family's ballots with their own.

I agree that votes should have a robust accounting system and that every ballot should be linked with a voter registration. Frankly I wish we did mandatory voting like Australia.

There is fraud in every election. All polls have a margin of error, and that includes polling places.

Like all fraud, we don’t want to spend enough resources to eliminate it entirely, because this has negative effects on legitimate customers/voters. There was an article recently by patio11 about how credit cards choose a level of fraud to tolerate in the interest of the system functioning. Voting works the same way; restrictions on mail ballots and ID requirements limit more legitimate voters than fraudulent votes, so a prudent approach is to only investigate in cases where it makes a difference. We call these recounts in elections, and audits in finance.

If conservatives want to run the country more like a business, well, this is their chance.

Literally millions of dollars available to anyone who can find and prove fraud.

In a country of 150 million voters voting in dozens of local, state, and federal elections over the last 20 years, there have been less than 100 convictions for voter fraud, and almost all of those are inadvertently illegal votes by felons, new residents not correctly registered, students voting in their college town elections, et cetera.

There is NO significant fraud in American elections. ZERO.

> restrictions on mail ballots and ID requirements limit more legitimate voters than fraudulent votes

Here's some evidence of the opposite: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/21/voting-is...

I'm convinced there was an illegal and violent coup attempting to overturn the 2020 election. It killed people. What was your thing again?

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