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> We already have the majority of one party believing the last election as stolen despite a comprehensive lack of evidence.

This is the part that gets me. I don't know how anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see this behavior and then still support the people perpetrating it.

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When you don't understand them, that's how you know you're in a bubble. Try getting out and talking to them.

"So what has you so upset?"....."Comet Ping-pong pedo ring, contrails, Q, where we go one we go all, derrrrr"

Nope, coming in loud and clear, not a bubble problem.

Is that a conversation you had or a summary of what you’ve read about your political opponents on the internet?

I think we all know the answer to this

ok, let's be real-

"Hi, what's the issue?" -Me

"I believe the 2020 election was stolen, I read it on X internet source plus foxnews has been reporting on it, and everyone I know says it" - Person

"Well how do you know they aren't lying?" - Me

"How do you know they aren't, I also trust my friends and family, read this random news article from suspicious site" - Person

"Do you think we should punish people who spread false information" -Me

"No, freedom of speech, also I still believe the 2020 election was stolen. If Democrats are just going to steal elections that means my vote doesn't count and I'm not really in a democracy, this justifies civil war" - Person

I saw a woman say that Biden created SpaceX to capture the votes as they traveled through the satellites. They were then changed to Biden.

Now that I've heard this what greater understanding do I have?

But what you really mean is listen to their grievances and anger at being left behind economically. I'm aware of this but it doesn't justify destroying democracy with false accusations of election fraud.

Considering high-level members of the Republican party and their supporters are following the cult QAnon, I think they're beyond convincing.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/why-is-trump-o...

I've tried talking to election deniers; all I hear for supporting evidence is disproven conspiracy theories and what-about-ism.

Because they think the other side is already doing it, and having their side do it is just playing the game.

One side of the country has become convinced that democracy is not important. In fact, they see it as an impedance to their goals.

> In fact, they see it as an impedance to their goals.

Well, are they wrong?

Good point. But if democracy were not important, would they put so much work into undermining it?

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: In order to obtain power? Hell yes!

I should note, lest anyone think I’m taking sides, that it is not overly difficult to follow US news closely enough to know that there are cheaters and creeps of all sorts trying to subvert elections and the law. It’s a rainbow of representation. All sorts of jerks are breaking and bending all sorts of laws and norms.

All y’all need an apolitical electoral commission, like Australia or Canada (and probably others) have. Heck, invite them over to run the next federal election.

That would seem to make democracy pretty important, then.

You think both sides are equally at fault? how is that possible considering the number of people and actions on both political sides?

People on both sides are at fault. That does not imply "equally".

That's always the case, so you choose the best of the two options

This is not about choosing. It is about prosecuting. If one side commits more and worse crimes, they should get more prosecutions and stiffer sentences.

Did I say they are equally ar fault?

No. I said you can dig up scum of all stripes. Politicians, brain-washed groupies, social activists pro- and con-, the wilfully criminal who shed ethics for pay, and on and on. The problem is bigger than your myopic political bias, and its solution requires more than taking sides: it requires full prosecution of anyone engaged in unlawful shenanigans.

It’s easy everyone you interact with thinks the same and your perception gets skewed to believe your bubble represents the whole population.

And the voted out president does everything in their power to delegitimize the process.

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