Viral “racism in academia” story deleted when I started asking questions
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In my view, it is the demand for viral anger inducing content that is unlimited. That, of course, can include content that relates to racism, but the power of social media doesn't depend on the specific category of anger; rather, it thrives on virtually all anger. There are many examples of viral hoaxes that are not specifically about race, though topics related to race certainly do play well into the anger spiral of most social media.
I would say that such hoaxes, in general, only work to add confusion to our perceptions of the real harms of racism in our society. Do not attempt to find any clarity based on these hoaxes. We shouldn't draw conclusions about how much racism there is, based on internet viral fud. To do so is to allow the deception to misdirect us away from the reality of the situation. Whatever that reality is, it's not reflected by this type of thing. Rather, this type of situation reflects the more general anger spiral that social media thrives on.
It's not surprising that people do this, given how much value modern society places on "victimhood" and being a member of some oppressed group. What's more worrying is the tendency of the media and society to accept these accusations uncritically and jump on the bandwagon to condemn the alleged wrongdoer.
Conveniently for itself, BYU decided that the chants were not racist. Specifically, their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. But enough white Duke coaches and athletes also heard the racist remarks during the game that the university was able to identify the fan so that they could ask BYU to ban the fan.
But apparently the anti-BYU chants this past weekend were super offensive. Hypocrites.
It seems very clearly, at best, the person misheard, although more likely made up.
It suggests that BYU, and whites in generally, may not even be aware of their casual use of terms considered offensive to minorities.
They did report on the BYU investigation and seemed to disagree. [1] But they don't mention having reviewed the footage. Nor do they provide any other evidence.
1: https://www.theroot.com/byu-finds-no-evidence-of-racist-heck...
Wasn't the claim that someone yelled the n-word every time the girl served the ball?
Didn't BYU interview 50 students and fans, and not find a single one who could corroborate? And they pored over all of the recorded footage of the televised game and found nothing?
Seems unlikely that NPR would be carrying water for BYU if Duke had the goods. [1]
1: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-...
The athlete, and her teammates, and her coaches, said that the fan was making racist comments the entire game.
NPR merely reported BYU's findings. Apparently it's not politically correct to call out Mormons on their homophobia or racism, so the Duke team's experience was left out of the NPR coverage.
Have Duke's claims been put into a report anywhere? It sounds like you accept claims of racism over a report based on actual evidence and dozens of interviews. Even when that report is widely reported in media that has egg on its face for having jumped the gun.
Can you point to Duke's evidence, or share what more could be shown by BYU/NPR/NBC to change your mind?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athl...?
TLDR: the recent volleyball incident was just one of many recent BYU racism incidents.
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli-American teenager was found guilty in Israel on Thursday of making about 2,000 hoax bomb threats against Jewish and other institutions in the United States and elsewhere during Donald Trump’s rise to the U.S. presidency in 2016 and 2017.
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/28/624338353/israel-court-convic...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-hacker-idUSKBN...
Its just a series of outrageous political operations.
Getting rid of all racism is as futile as getting rid of all stupidity. I think them being in the public so people can actually watch what they are doing and discussing is pretty reassuring. Because it often is very clear that it doesn't amount to much.
This is social media wagging the dog.
Your conclusions are erroneous.
Then I saw their disclaimer, "The stories and information here are artistic work of fiction and falsehood. only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
It seems like a dumb way to come to this realization but after turning this statement over in my head for a few weeks, it dawned on me that all the quirky stories I've been reading on reddit for years, even the believable ones, are fake. Part of this realization was actually posting a number of fake stories and getting some very highly upvoted comments.
That many people, journalists especially, seem to read twitter content with a default-true instead of a defaul-false assumption is scary to me.
For instance, if there is a study that says [group 1] are actually better managers than [group 2]. I ask myself what if the study found [group 2] is in fact better than [group 1]? It very well may be that [group 1] is in fact better managers, but if the reverse cannot be reported, then you're not getting any counterfactual evidence since it would be suppressed, ignored or manipulated. Basically it doesn't fit the popular narrative.
You can apply this to other statements. If you hear a statement in which the reverse would be inconceivable, it's probably not a meaningful statement. If you hear a manager say "I stand with my employees", would the reverse make sense? Is there someone that would argue, no, I don't stand with my employees? If not, then that statement is a meaningless platitude and not conveying any information. The only caveat I would add is that the subject may add focus. Focusing on employees may be a signal to some value that is not universally shared, but people often hedge their bets and say something like "I stand with my employees, customers and stockholders", which is completely meaningless.
Ask and you will be answered:
The authors also submitted different test studies to different peer-review boards. The methodology was identical, and the variable was that the purported findings either went for, or against, the liberal worldview (for example, one found evidence of discrimination against minority groups, and another found evidence of "reverse discrimination" against straight white males). Despite equal methodological strengths, the studies that went against the liberal worldview were criticized and rejected, and those that went with it were not.
Source: https://theweek.com/articles/441474/how-academias-liberal-bi... summarizing the following paper: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain...
It’s not doing anyone any favours.
At one point, even gently suggesting that all was not as it seemed with the Covid numbers (remember when it was reported to have a 10% mortality rate in Italy?) would get you banned/blacklisted/downvoted etc...
Even today, pointing out the risk/reward issues with child vaccination for Covid will get a mob attacking you, and anti-vaxxer etc... labels applied.
Whether it's racism, covid, gun control, abortion or any other politically charged "wedge" issue, it's nearly impossible to get to a reasonable discussion of the issue. Neither "side" wants that. They want demonization, othering and disgust reaction in order to gain and consolidate power.
Partisan media organizations outright lie, and face basically no accountability for it.
In order to try to hunt down some semblance of truth, you have to constantly read opposing publications, and it's a lot of work.
I prefer to read media that doesn't pretend to hide their bias, Huffington Post, Breitbart, The Atlantic, etc... Over the claimed "impartial" media like NYT, Fox, MSNBC that pretend at objective journalism but have a clear political agenda.
The prior thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32889408
But: They’re more likely to pin a link to this post at the top of the comments of yesterday’s post, based on how they’ve handled other situations like this.
This is the strongest reason I have to stay off Twitter. Too many people making too many decisions on "vibes."
Even though most of these opinions weren't favorable with the general audience citing the downvotes, one in particular caught my attention where a denouncement of cultural favoritism in the hiring process where applicants from specific backgrounds were given priority while others esp of Muslim background were treated with suspicions and animosity, seemed to sit well with a given segment of the audience here, which is a testament to the pervasive nature of bias, discrimination, bigotry and intolerance that some people still hold in the workplace toward other minorities, and that we still have a lot of work to do in that area to ensure equality, inclusion, diversity and overall progress for all of us in our professional life.
Not just minorities. There's bias, discrimination, bigotry, and intolerance toward white people too. Heavy-handed affirmative action, for one thing.
Seems like many people were asking hard questions.
We have William Gibson novels nearly coming to life a few decades later. Celebrity and influencer obsession and the itch and the need for that dopamine hit to go viral. It's a disease.
with that being said sensationalism and victim complex is a thing in Muslim / arab culture (I come from one), so finding made up stories about racism is possible
This has a side effect of ethnic groups sticking together at work, where language, culture, religion, etc are similar.
And it also doesn’t mean economic exclusion either. In places like Brampton the highest income bracket by religion is Hindu #1, then Jews, atheists, and Christians.
This reinforces ghettoization and propagation of ethnocentric worldviews with all the vices of this ideology from prejudice, xenophobia, you name it.
In France and Sweden it wasn't the case, most non Europeans were living in suburbs and out of sight, this lead to integration issue down the road as we see currently in both countries.
Finally, Indian favoritism / discrimination in IT jobs in north America is a very specific topic that should be addressed, but it's not as large as institutionalized white racism that is much broader and well studied and affect more sectors in life including governmental services.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/led-aapi-scholars...
Here's what the article quoted:
> In the Harvard brief, the academics argued that SFFA’s case is grounded in racist stereotypes, citing the petitioner’s own assertion that Asian Americans are academically “substantially stronger” than other demographic groups and therefore “should be admitted at a higher rate.”
> “That assertion fundamentally rests on a racial stereotype about Asian Americans as a so-called ‘model minority,’” the brief reads. “That stereotype advances the views that (1) Asian Americans are smarter and value education more than other groups and (2) other racial minorities do not value hard work and education.”
> The Harvard brief also states that the dissolution of race-conscious admissions would harm Asian Americans and ignore the diversity of experiences and degrees of power and privilege within the group.
> “Research shows that advocating such views creates groundless fears of racial discrimination in college admissions that … inhibits identity development among Asian American students,” the brief reads.
Is this just saying that observing that colleges are discriminating against Asians (by rejecting their applications at a higher rate, such that less-objectively-qualified applicants of other races are accepted in their stead) makes people feel that Asians are being discriminated against? Because of course discriminating against someone makes it seem like there is discrimination afoot.
I'm not sure if it's an elephant or a duck.
Cause it's racist thus immoral. Some american universities used to do that for jews. It's was bad back then it's still bad now.
"race-conscious admission", what a sweet euphemism for racial discrimination in academia. Just call it something that sounds positive, the hell with our principles.
Well this thread is about about "racism in academia". This is the elephant in the room. Racist policies in college admissions. You're trying to argue that it's somehow off topic when it's blatant and the so called anti-racist activists defend racism when it's targeted at groups they don't care about.
I don't really disagree with you, but I am trying to understand your perspective.
<< You're trying to argue that it's somehow off topic
Not at all. I am sure racism part will be covered in detail, while I go after less obvious, but likely more accurate 'people maintaining status quo, because it benefits them'.
A lie travels halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on.
Because this story was a lie, the narrative about the nature of racial discrimination is false? That seems like a stretch.
The "names impact hiring" thing is pretty well established, factually, so it's not surprising that folks would believe a tweet thread that seems to align with established fact.
I remember a passionate argument I had about some unsourced story of poor Stripe customer support. The other guy was genuinely baffled why I would question the poor merchant who was being so cruelly mistreated.
I think it should be obvious that this person never actually ran the experiment, and merely reported what they expected the difference to be.
"It doesn't matter if it's true or not, it could have been true" is a particular kind of reasoning I've seen a few times over the years, from different ideological perspectives.
"I own a real dinosaur"
It might also have to do with how many people from X country are associated with paper mills that publish garbage content. Unfortunately while it pads the individual resume, it washes the credibility of the rest as a whole.
I know from experience that once a lab finds bad data from a country over and over, they ignore anything submitted by that school/group/nation/region.
"race" when speaking of humans is the most undefined term you can come up with. It basically doesn't have any real scientific meaning anymore, that's why people call everything "racism" when in reality it often is something else.
> A race is a categorization of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into groups generally viewed as distinct within a given society.[1] The term came into common usage during the 1500s, when it was used to refer to groups of various kinds, including those characterized by close kinship relations.[2] By the 17th century, the term began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits, and then later to national affiliations. Modern science regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society.[3][4] While partly based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning.[1][5][6] The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.
> Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptions of race are untenable,[14][15][16][17][18][19] scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways.[20] While some researchers continue to use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits or observable differences in behavior, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race is inherently naive[9] or simplistic.[21] Still others argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance because all living humans belong to the same subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.