This is insane in my opinion. People are acting like Figma is now "unclean" for being associated with Adobe.
It's just natural and common sense to look for alternatives if you rely on Figma and don't trust them to be a viable product in the hands of Adobe.
Looks to me like most people acknowledge that it’s great and natural for the company but just feel distraught by the implication for users.
I have no problem paying a subscription fee for a corporate account. Having to fork over $100 a month to adobe for personal use is ridiculous. Problem with adobe there was never a free tier
The point is that we dislike Adobe and we don't want to deal with them in any context.
The fact that overwhelming amount of designers switched over to figma in the past few years, proves that how people feel about adobe is very real.
Personally I am never thrilled to switch software and endure initial period of relearning how to do my job in a new tool unless there are measurable advantages.
I ve used adobe products since the age of 12 and not having to install their crappy software on any computer since 2019 has been liberating af
We have learned experience being hurt by Adobe. Ignoring that would be silly.
I'm a product to a lot of companies but not all of them are worth being concerned about.
The balance seems to be the “government should own/regulate all businesses I need or hate” crowd. Which feels like younger folks that haven’t thought through that endgame.
The reason this anti-corporate stuff appears is because the point of sale is also the best moment Figma competitors who no doubt lurk on here have to throw their name out there and convert users.
No one is traumatized by this and no one is giving up their profession.
Like read the threads dude, some people are seriously upset to the point of questioning their careers. Believe what you want of course. From the reactions I see on my own corporate slack whenever there are big changes announced, sensitivity and poor coping skills are in abundance.
Is there a logical fallacy for this? I see it a lot online and it drives me nuts. Just because you can point out that the general viewpoint of a group might be hypocritical, that doesn't mean the individuals themselves are necessarily hypocritical.
(personally I have no opinion on figma/adobe, but this class of comment drives me nuts)
I call it the "fallacy of the crowd" and I agree it is very common.
I first noticed it enough to give it a name (and then see it everywhere!) about 12 years ago.
Not just online, and it's not always talking about a negative, i.e. apparent hypocrisy or contradiction. It is also used to talk about apparent consequence or implication.
E.g. political campaign speeches often use it. "They" this so "they" that; "they" this and then "they" that; "they" say this yet "they" do that: Different subsets of people referred to by "they" in the same sentence or train of thought.
It's a great rhetorical trick for persuading large numbers of people of something rousing yet wrong.
Who is HN? Is you HN?
Did you add your thoughts about Avast and the acquisition of the browser extension?
If you found a common opinion on that topic, perhaps it's because data harvesting and selling user data is a common pattern associated with similar acquisitions. It's not like people latch onto gloomy conspiracies pulled from the nearest echo chamber, repeating them in unison, swaying to the beat of an HN drum. Is that what you're suggesting?
At the end of the day, "data harvesting and selling user data" is done by programmers. I find it unacceptable that some do it and then come to HN to complain about other people's work.
That said, changing doesn’t really make much sense at the moment, it does make sense to think through the point you will change.
For example, I wanted to cancel my CC subscription, and when I contacted their terrible chat support (fuck Adobe for not letting me cancel it on my own? and they offered me two months free. I said no. They upped it to four months free, and I specially asked if I could cancel after the four free months if I wanted. The Adobe customer service person said “of course, no proven”. Four months later, I try to cancel and guess what? They are saying I agreed to a yearly subscription and I have eight months left. I explain that I specifically asked about that four months ago, and ask him to consult the conversation logs. They insist they don’t keep logs and there is nothing they can do. After some back and forth, the rep SENDS ME a excerpt that supports their argument (the excerpt was taken out of context and was meaningless on its own of course).
I immediately pointed out that they had just confirmed the chat log of the previous conversation did exist, that they were lying, and I wanted to speak to a supervisor. The service person quickly agreed to cancel my sub without penalty, said their supervisor wasn’t available and disconnected.
Single-handedly one of the most under-handed CS experiences I’ve ever had, and I’ve come across countless other stories similar to my own. Adobe is scum.
...But I have a better chance of finding the 'z' in 'Susan'