You're confused, in a ponzi earlier investors are paid from the investments of future investors. That's not how PoS works. In Ethereum, everyone is diluted to pay stakers and the time of their investment does not matter.
Also, a Ponzi scheme requires fraud, where the earlier investors are being lied-to about where the money comes from in order to paint a false financial picture of the company.
Not directly related to your point, but I wanted to put that out there since it's a pet-peeve of mine that "Ponzi" gets frequently misused as a label for anything the speaker thinks is unsustainable.
so you mean like pre-mine token sales? wait aren't those securities because there is an expectation of returns from the work of others?
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But here's the funny thing that no-one gets: all assets are a ponzi scheme (stocks are only worth something now because future rubes will buy them for more later), what makes bad ponzi schemes is when the underlying asset that everyone is speculating on doesn't do anything useful.
The people paying a fee do not expect to make a profit off of holding ethereum. (Some of them do, but that's a coincidence in the same way that a shop owner might shop at their own store).
Are you under the impression that you can buy Ethereum without paying transaction fees to stakers?
Well then what does Ethereum do actually? And why exactly can't those centralized transactions be denominated in "Coinbase points" without all the crazy "Proof-of" code?
Btw, Binance has done this with BNB and their USD stable coin, and they are top ranked coins by market cap, so in fact sometimes it is the case that having a highly centralized and liquid coin backed by a major player is good enough.
And that doesn't feel anything like a ponzi scheme to you? Because, again, as you state, people are not using Ethereum (that would require paying fees to old investors) they are buying it (in hopes that they aren't too late to become an old investor themselves).
Or are you literally saying that the value of ETH is that "Aesthetically, it's nicer to see 'ETH' at the end of an account balance than it is to see 'USD'"?
People are using Ethereum, they are paying transaction fees to use it. Those fees mostly do not go to stakers, they are mostly burned. Even if that weren't the case, it's not even close to a ponzi because the stakers aren't paid out by future stakers, they are paid out by diluting everyone and via fees for usage.
Also to address your second point, I'm not saying that, but that would not make it a ponzi at all. Art has this property, art isn't a ponzi.
Why exactly are people staking then? How are they being rewarded for slashing risk? Who do you think gets the gas fees? You know ETH2 still has them, right?
> the stakers aren't paid out by future stakers, they are paid out by diluting everyone and via fees for usage.
Again, you’re absolutely misinformed here, but aren’t crypto maximalists supposed to be all about how bad inflation in fiat is? Or is that old news?
> Also to address your second point, I'm not saying that, but that would not make it a ponzi at all. Art has this property, art isn't a ponzi.
You’re the one who said “most ethereal is bought on centralized exchanges”! You can’t have it both ways.
Stocks are valuable because they are a claim on the assets and future profits of a company, as well as a claim on the ownership and control of the company.
Some people buy stocks just in the hope that a Greater Fool will buy them for more money later, but that's not the same thing as calling stocks in general a "ponzi scheme".
Also, what's your comment on the multiples expansion that all stocks have seen since the 1990's?