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I consider myself very ‘liberal’ per American standards (pro abortion, pro lgbt rights, pro racial diversity and acceptance), and this to me screams of woke culture gone wild. Looks like anything can be weaponised.

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Same here. I'm pretty liberal on a number of issues, but this kind of language is extremely off-putting to me. If it means that the layoffs were explicitly racist, that is disgusting.

They were explicitly "anti-racist" which is just racism done differently.

No it's just regular old racism.

But we are all fine with racist hiring...

I don't think that's a true statement.

I am fine with hiring that enforces equality of opportunity (where nobody is denied an opportunity because of their race).

I am NOT fine with hiring that enforces equality of outcome (where some people, who would otherwise be considered unqualified, are granted an opportunity because of their race).

Race should account for ZERO percent of a hiring decision.

The fundamental misconception of today's "anti-racist" movement is that every unequal outcome is the direct result of past or present racism, without stopping to examine the validity of that assumption.

A great many eggs have been and will continue to be broken in service of equality of outcome, and we will all be worse off for it.

Believing race should account for zero percent of a hiring decision is what any decent person should believe.

Acknowledging it has, and does, and that it is more often than not to the detriment of minority groups is what any informed person should recognize.

Who the hell is the "we" you're talking about here? I've been opposed to considering race in hiring (and college admissions, etc.) since I was old enough to understand it (which was in elementary school).

Agreed. I don't consider myself to have moved politically right at all, but progressives are moving drastically left. Stuff like this, and the modern gender politics that is resulting in the erasure of women and lesbians in particular, has resulted in me no longer referring to myself as a leftist.

The Republicans left me a while ago. This kinda stuff is way too left for me and I fear the Democrats are going to do the same. I’d say I’m a moderate who votes Democratic. Both sides are going too far left and right.

I would argue the 'mainstream' right is being pulled left due to its gravity, and is quite moderate these days.

No one is erasing lesbians or women.

There's a whole ideological movement in vogue that has a really hard time defining what a woman even is.

I always enjoyed that attempt at a definition that led to people pointing out it made women out of chairs and horses. Some of them do manage to be ideologically consistent and exclude vast swathes of cis women from womanhood just to get at trans women, but most just fall back on "but science!" even as actual scientists point out science doesn't support anti-trans ideology.

"Actual scientists point out science doesn't support anti-trans ideology" -- unfortunately, "actual science" is defined by who speaks for it and what is permitted to be published and any criticism of the sexualization or surgical/therapeutic treatment of vulnerable minors is automatically "transphobia". Right now, we are in a very dark place with powerful lobbies dictating things unimaginable in prior eras and which would and should be illegal in a sane society/world.

There are appropriate, consistent definitions for what a woman is. The fact that there are somewhat vague boundary cases is true of any definition of real world things and not an indictment of its utility.

As others have already mentioned, you can keep considering yourself liberal in your living room. But if you go out on social media with these views, it could be construed as a rabid racist persona.

Wild? Seems pretty standard leftist position these days.

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