R.I.P. Good Times: The Startup Bubble May Be Coming to an End in 2012
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Is it just me, or is money being thrown at a lot of crap these days? As long as it has a cutesy name and is based in the Valley, it gets bukkaked with millions of dollars by eager investors.
All this cash floating around also seems to lead to startups sucking up all the best talent. Do coding geniuses really need to be working on photo-sharing apps, as opposed to, say, rocket programming?
I did an interview with Danish madman and super-entrepreneur Morten Lund once. One of the things he told me is that a recession is the best time to start a business: the table is cleared and the posers don't want to work hard to make it. More room for the truly dedicated.
Good point. But for all the "how to hire the best" articles moving around related to startups, I don't see many "coding geniuses" there, and have yet to see a significant contribution to OSS or CompSci coming from a "social" startup.
Mostly fresh-out-of-college, no-real-world-experience, lets-use-what's-shiny types...
Someone like Brad Fitzpatrick runs circles around these guys.
If you're sophisticated enough to have a proven track record, you're probably also more sophisticated about retaining equity and control.
Regardless, one persons useless website is often another person's invaluable tool. Not to say there isn't a lot of waste out there, but I doubt everyone getting hard to work on "rocket programming" will solve that problem. We'd just have a lot of crappy "rocket programs".
We've been in recession for years now, just not specifically in SV, where most of this stuff takes place. But people latch on to it, and many people think they're "starting a business in a recession" right now.
That's interesting btw, care to tell me a bit more?
The "start a business in a recession" is common guidance/wisdom. It seems to make some sense - it'll weed out the people who aren't truly interested in starting a business, because it'll be harder than in 'normal' economic times.
The difference is, for web/tech startups, it's probably easier now to get started, insomuch as the cost of starting something is far less than it was 5 years ago, and there's more money being invested in small web startups than a few years ago. So... lower costs to startup, more money being invested, and we see more of these happening.
However, people think they're "starting a business in a recession" because the general economy is in recession. The "web/tech startup" economy is not in recession - seemingly quite the opposite, really.
In a year or two when the startup money stops flowing so easily, we'll be in 'startup recession' territory, and that's where the "start a business in a recession" wisdom will be tested, but I suspect not as many people will put it to the test.
I'm not sure your counterfactual is well-chosen. Round these parts (UK), bright physicists/engineers/compscis seem to mainly end up in finance, trying to stay on the right side of zero-sum-game financial jiggery-pokery.
Photo sharing may not be the best possible outlet for their talents, but at least it has some social value.
First, let me say, there will eventually be a decrease in funding levels primarily because the VC asset class is raising less money and since they can only invest what's in their bank accounts, it has to come down. When will that happen? Not sure.
Here's some thoughts based on data we collect.
- 2011 is shaping up to be banner year for VCs ($30B+ invested) - Seed investments whether by VCs, VCs & angels or just angels are growing like mad
If you think of investing as a funnel, i.e., more seed stage companies get funded than Series A than Series B, etc, it def looks like the funnel has gotten a bit fat up top, i.e. a lot more seed deals than Series A, B, etc money down the pipeline.
So if anything, the Seed thing has been overdone. At the same time, many of those Seed companies can become real businesses on just the Seed round, i.e., SaaS companies (just look at UserVoice's second small round raise as a case study). Or these companies get acquired for $20-$50 million. Which is not a great return for a mega-VC who only care about billion dollar opportunities, but can be quite good for a micro-VC. I'd imagine Dave McClure and others like 500Startups would be happy hitting those all day long.
That said, there is an overabundance of seed backed companies and many of these will be orphaned and die. That's not a bad thing. It's the market working.
At the same time, there are a lot more investors at the Seed stage and a lot more can pile in so the trend might continue for a while as everyone hopes to fund the next Facebook, Pinterest, Quora, etc (pick your soup du jour). This is only natural as there are a lot more folks who can invest at the $1 million level than the $10 or $100 million level.
As to whether later rounds will decrease in # and a bubble exists, that can really only happen when the buyers (investors) decide not to pay crazy valuations. I'm not sure what the 'forcing mechanism' will be that will drive this. There is not a long list of public internet companies that will set the "real price" for these companies and cause a correction. So without the forcing mechanism, it comes down to investors agreeing that valuations in private markets are too high. Not sure there is anything out there that would cause an across-the-board shift like that. Of course, some investors might get more conservative but there looks to be no dearth of cowboys investing right now.
Finally, this could all change if the stock market and general economy go into a tailspin. If I could predict that with any precision (or if anyone could), we're in the wrong business.
Some links for those interested in some data -
Startup Cash Crunch? Hardly - http://www.cbinsights.com/blog/venture-capital/startup-cash-...
VC on track for $30B in 2011 - http://www.cbinsights.com/blog/venture-capital/quarterly-ven...
Actually, "what we see" is the very definition of EMPIRICAL DATA.
What you probably wanted to say was "devoid of any theory" etc. But no theory has yet untangled the economic prediction thing --too many parameters.
A little manual pruning of the empirical data by someone with experience in the trenches is better than some vague theory or a bunch of stats.
An engineer -- here's the egotism coming -- is a money machine. She may be more effective working together with other force multipliers (marketeers, venture capitalists, a good CEO), but fundamentally a good engineer creates value all by herself. If the VC isn't along for the ride, less value may be created less quickly, but the engineer is still going to get hers and the VC not.
I can think of one example of an engineer who just didn't seek funding and created a whole bunch of value (notch); does anyone know of a good example of a startup which was forced to bootstrap without significant funding (on account of a burst VC bubble) and survived to stick it to 'em?
I don't know. We started up in the shadow of the dot com bust, so there was not really any funding available for ecommerce companies. That said, we never actively sought any VC money, so it's incorrect to say we are an example of what you're seeking.
Gender inequality in engineering isn't going to be solved by replacing 'he' with 'she'.
Either way, I don't think that using "she" as a gender neutral pronoun can be considered distracting advocacy of feminism.
Historically man and he have been used a universal gender neutral pronouns. In most latin languages this is spelled out clearly as proper grammar (e.g., French). In English it has been left ambiguous. That said, one clearly is making the conscious choice to swim against the tide when specifically using 'she' for this purpose, so it's going to distract some people. Though I agree far less than he/she and (s)he.
What happens is a couple people strike it rich, then a bunch of followers try to do the same thing, it may work for a little while but not for long, and when the stupidest, most inefficient people have got in on the act, there's no money left for them AND they do things that end up looking terribly ridiculous. After all that, even the smart players have thrown in lots of money and/or time, they look at how much they spent and go "hmmmm, that's a lot, better calm down." Then there's a bust.
By "smart" and "dumb" I am referring to: investors, buyers, and founders. The labels apply to them all. VCs don't have infinite money. The two or three companies who do the most acquisitions also do not have an unlimited appetite or money, and they also tend to shut down or wreck most of what they buy.
So at that critical point, everybody lays low for a little while. Then they forget, and start all over again.
Nobody remembers that this is exactly what happened the last time.
web VCs fund companies they believe they can flip. It's also why they are biased towards late stage funding, since they have a higher chance of flipping over their positions.
Can someone explain to me how this could possibly ever not be the case? Even if 99% of seed-funded companies go on to raise a series A, that's still "seed-stage fundings outpacing series A fundings".
Maybe I'm not understanding what Schonfeld wrote here?
With seed deals being much smaller than Series A deals that definitely has implications (e.g. there probably will not be enough money around to get a Series A for all those Seed funded startups that get to that next stage)
RIP Good Times! DOOOOM! GLOOOM! The Skies Are Falling!
TRANSLATION I Need an Excuse to Knock Down Your Valuations and Terms!In the comments, you have the same sentiment of "It's too frothy, there has to be a pullback", or "There won't be a pullback, this time it's different than 2008."
After surviving the dotcom crash and the 2008 financial crash, it definitely seems like we are headed towards a global recession in 2012. No matter what path we take, whether Europe can save itself or not, the best case scenario is going to be a sharp pullback in European economic output. Worst case is that the euro falls apart and the entire global financial system is rocked. My guess is that Germany won't allow this to happen because they will suffer disproportionately, so they will allow the issuing of Eurobonds.
So that being said, economic growth will slowdown worldwide. I think the US is the best place to be, given its sluggish-but-not-catastrophic growth.
BUT it's not the US's GDP that matters, it's the investments of American rich people that matters in terms of funding VCs. If rich people take a hit because a majority of their investments get whacked, then they will stop investing in venture funding. There's a pretty strong correlation between VC funding and the stock market. Already the markets are down pretty hard since they topped in June. If you remember the dotcom boom, it was during a massive bull market in the stock market. As well, after the crash of 2008, the nadir of the markets being March 2009, there's been almost a doubling of the stock market since then, so by 2011 lots of rich people got very, very rich and are willing to spread out their investments.
However, since June, the US markets are down 15%. The German market is down almost 30%, Chinese markets down 23%, Indian markets down 22%, Brazil down 25%. There are a lot of rich people around the world that don't feel as rich as they used to. If this trend continues and spills over to 2012, these rich people will definitely pullback on discretionary investments, the top of them being venture funding. So if you want a gauge on how VCs will behaving, I'm personally going to be looking at the stock market to see how it's going to behave.
That is always the case, just as it is always the case that series A fundings outpace IPOs.
I think the wise people in the Vally see the capital influx coming and are trying to cool the sector to ducks some of that capital. We have already killed the goose that laid the golden egg once before, I think we are just trying to ensure that we are not to attractive to the stupid money.
There are fewer and fewer places for it to run to and tech is one of the last bastions, but it cannot sustain the kind of fiat capital that has been created, we are too weak in our recovery from the last exuberance. That being said, this is not a bubble, it can and has gotten a lot crazier than this. This is what healthy was before the bubble.
Unfortunately from a few interviews I went on in SV a few months ago, more than a couple of times this scenario was bragged about by the founders when asking how they started. It was a huge turn off to me but I guess it impresses other candidates. (Ironically though one of those companies was a small social games company that just got acquired.)
Unless of course when the prediction itself changes. And that's when things start to move again -- not in the future, but at present.
What are some ideas for automation of the physical word? I am always looking to feed my creativity algorithms with new domains.
I try to keep speculation to a minimum because most specific predictions of the future end up being wrong even if the rough idea is right.
The best I can come up with is automated bicycle messengers, but that's as likely as any idea I could come up with.
Bubble pundits have to accept the fact that they will not be able to predict the bursting of a bubble. Assuming there is one.
Even the title says "I think"
(Addendum: I'm starting to think that having a startup is the "I'm gonna be a film star/hip hop singer/rock guitarist" equivalent for the geek youth).
It's just I'm tired of seeing all those "social" startup stories, and the thousands of posts in the intertubes typically from some aforementioned startup employee/founder using all the half-baked or ill-suited technologies du jour, and posting something better suited for Comp Sci 101 as a huge discovery.
That's what I deserve for scouting all over for some relevant Python/Ruby/Web dev etc articles, I guess.
(disclosure: I work in a startup, but one developing, gasp an actual product (!), sold to the customer etc, employing several PHD guys to code in good ole C and implement new hardcore algorithms for our class of problems.).
Everybody writes about listening the "customer". Yet, as you also imply, nobody seems to really care. I work in finance/controlling and yet I never managed to have a discussion about the domain problems of my field with those start up people, maybe there is a problem right there...
p.s. can you put a link at your start up?
Not an insult btw. I genuinely want to know.
There are tons of stuff to do a startup on besides some social gimmick.
If you have any ideas in those areas please do share :)
For me, I am starting with something really small, yet really difficult for me being a beginner: pivot tables on the top of a database. There are some reason I am doing it, but mainly it is because excel is really slow with what I call 'small data' and it also has strange row limits. Also, I want to provide an easy way to build pivot tables on the server side, so people don't have to send excel files around.
Project is here: https://github.com/kfk/proj00. It is really just a scratch.
That's interesting. As far as I can tell, pivot tables were a hack that MS added to Excel in response to Lotus Improv, which was an early 90s attempt at a higher-level spreadsheet that Steve Jobs raved about for years. Perhaps you can restore them to their original glory.
because excel is really slow with what I call 'small data' and it also has strange row limits
Can you elaborate? What do you call 'small data'? And what are the strange row limits?
I'm interested in these things because I work in an Excel-related space, which I would be happy to discuss offline (email in profile).
2 = Excel 2003 limits (still used in my company): http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/excel-specifica.... Especially when you make deep analysis (first 10 customers of segment B, low margin products, lost due to low margin products, pricing, etc.), you hit the limit and you are forced to do bad things (like using 12 columns instead than 2 to represent 12 months).
3 = As 'small data' I just mean all those data people use in companies. Usually those are the result of extracting data using a business warehouse system (ie cognos) or financial data submitted by entities (ie 30/40 files from different parts of the world of PnLs to consolidate...) or KPIs, or... you get the idea...
p.s. I will be sending you an email later today. It would be really great to discuss those concepts.