The relationship between plant-based diet and risk of digestive system cancers

That's the ticket. A properly cooked sous vide carrot tastes completely different from any other cooking method. All of the nutrients and flavor stays in the carrot. Add in herbs and spices and it will completely transform how you experience vegetables.

That being said I believe everyone aught to eat at least a little meat because we are omnivores and it is advantageous for us to be able to, we don't know what the future holds and in evolution if you don't use it you lose it.

I grew up on a farm in New Zealand, water is plentiful, cows eat grass and are calved on milk that for one reason or another would be wasted otherwise. Processing of the meat was done in the paddock by a home kill butcher.

In the same way people like going on cruises but don’t worry about how much bunker fuel it burns, I like eating meat and will continue to do so.

If you want to be vegetarian great, but I’m making a lifestyle choice that I’ll eat meat because I enjoy it and all of the dishes that can’t be made without it.

However, there are more differences between the domestic plants and the domestic animals than that.

The life of most animals that are eaten by humans can really be said to be destructed from the day when they are born until the day when they are killed, because they are forced to live in a way different from the life for which their body is made for and that they obviously do not enjoy.

On the other hand, there is no significant difference between the life of the wild plants and that of the cultivated plants. From the plants that are perennial, we take some parts, e.g. fruits or seeds, which would have been discarded anyway. The annual plants like wheat are killed during the harvest, but they would have died anyway after spreading their seeds, and until the harvest they have lived in the same way as a wild plant.

Before the last century, the lives of the domestic animals were usually much better than now and they frequently could be said to live as well as similar wild animals. For example, the chickens grown by my grandparents were certainly happy during all their life. They had a very large space where they could wander all day and eat whatever plants or insects they liked besides the corn that supplemented their diet. They raised their young and did everything else that wild chickens would do, until the day when they were caught and killed. As a small child, I have played a lot with those chickens.

So, unlike the cultivated plants, most of them had their lives shortened, but, except for duration, their lives were not altered in other ways.

Unfortunately such animal raising methods cannot be scaled to feed billions of humans.

Eating an animal means killing a sapient being for your own pleasure. You don't need it for sustenance. It's objectively worse for that end both on an efficiency scale (trophic levels from sun -> plant -> herbivore -> you) and health scale.

People might get offended by the comparison but it's not my job to hold the hands of people offended by rhetoric. I thought facts don't care about feelings? Extreme is subjective. I view daily murder as pretty extreme but we consider that fine as long as the life being taken is non-human. Want to go wring a chicken's neck in your backyard and eat it? Totally normal and rustic.

Tell people that is gross? Extremist demonstrably false vegan agenda

Because I do not work in an office :-) And sometimes I use to chop woods for heating myself.

That's an extremely wild claim you'd better be ready to extensively support.

Eating a plant based diet while avoiding the negative effects requires either much more diet planning than most people are used to do or spending more money on expensive dietary supplements than on the actual food.

I have seen people becoming vegan in a careless way, which resulted in health problems.

On the other hand, eating mostly vegetable food combined with a moderate amount of animal food, that is much easier to do without problems.

I eat meat. It's either fish I catch and kill myself, or 4H cattle. I'm pretty sure it involves less animal suffering than someone eating factory farmed chickens, no? If you care about animal suffering, shouldn't you encourage people to take steps in the right direction?

> Please tell me it’s a sarcastic response.

I asked to give some measures of animal suffering, if you are talking about reducing animal cruelty so why so-called cruelty is bad?

> Sometimes i find hard to understand people.

I experience the same feelings when I use to propose people to get rid of their cars as I did. Positive environmental impact, better for your health, no negative side effects if your bicycle has enough big bicycle trunk, of course bicycle is way cheaper which allows you to work less and spend more time to cycling... What's wrong with all those people?