We need a fossil-free internet by 2030
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It consumes electricity.
We need to focus our attention on the electricity production sector. Tax fossil fuel burning to internalize the social cost it puts on all of us, and let the free market eradicate the burning because it can't compete against cleaner sources. Consumers like datacenters will always end up clustering around the cheapest electricity source that's close enough to population centers for latency requirements.
As someone who believes climate change is a very real, existential threat to civilization, it's incredibly frustrating to see articles like this that misdirect our attention at consumers, when the only real solution will come by focusing on producers.
It's a waste of time, attention, and political capital that we can't afford.
"The internet doesn't intrinsically consume fossil fuels and never has." - This is almost an offensive statement in whitewashing/passing the buck.
Does the trucking industry say "we just transport trailers, the issue of whether the tractors burn diesel is a different issue". COME ON. Like trucking, where specific engineering needs to be applied to produce BEV or emission free transportation for their use cases, specific engineering and policy will be needed for the major industrial segment of power consumption: the internet.
Major datacenters site location and design are explicitly built around hydroelectric and other sources since power is such a large cost component. There are bitcoin mining centers in outer mongolia and other places that can be directly pointed to why they are sited: ultracheap coal and no environmental controls.
Related to this notion in the article is the big steaming (literally) issue of bitcoin network power.
Anwyay, AWS could absolutely be branded on the basis of zero-carbon-emission power. So could GCE and a lot of other major websites. The fact that is can be a very widespread and branded movement like gay rights and other things that corporations rapidly adopt and fight at the state, federal, and local level for is a tantalizing opportunity. Especially since fundamentally it drives down costs in the long run.
AWS and the like represent a centralization of major internet service, for better or worse, and therefore at a minimum they should be pressured / incented to build that basis on alternative or non-carbon-emitting power. The choice of IAAS or PAAS should have a marketing component of zero emission or not. We're talking a substantive slice of overall power generation being dedicated to this.
So this conclusion is utterly wrong IMO: "It's a waste of time, attention, and political capital that we can't afford"
1: https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/environment/the-cloud
2: https://cloud.google.com/sustainability
3: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/explore/global-infrastruct...
The article says it "outlines why we need a fossil-free internet by 2030 and how to get there" but I don't see that at all.
No, I don't need replies explaining why we need it. My statement is that the article whose job it is to explain it doesn't. Why 2030? Why not 2029? Heck, if we don't have it by 2025 then XXX bad things will happen. Why not 2038?
Its the equivalent of 1990s cable tv news shows at this point.
"We’re decarbonizing our energy consumption so that by 2030, we’ll operate on carbon-free energy, everywhere, 24/7."
https://sustainability.google/commitments/
Do you think this is a coincidence? No, this is how companies that already made fuckton of money using cheap fossil fuel energy of the past plan to keep their future competition forever crippled.
Should we then be suspicious of all of them?
Especially if they want to use government (men with guns) to enforce their ideas.
https://www.thegreenwebfoundation.org/green-web-check/?url=n...
but www.ycombinator.com passes:
https://www.thegreenwebfoundation.org/green-web-check/?url=w...
https://branch.climateaction.tech/issues/issue-1/designing-b...
https://www.thegreenwebfoundation.org/partner-up/ https://www.thegreenwebfoundation.org/directory/#962
Sounds very weak to me from the outside.
https://www.networkworld.com/article/2229029/computer-factor...
I agree! Get the boomers off the internet, now! Should have let coronavirus handle it.