The U.S. military is growing concerned about UFOs. Should we worry?
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UFO is commonly interpreted as alien spaceship but it really only means unidentified--and that could be a recon drone from China or the like.
[0] https://interestingengineering.com/culture/glomar-explorer-t...
That spark, in turn, can be moved around freely and emits all sorts of RF noise.
Source: worked in a femtosecond laser lab
China is still incapable of building complex home grown avionics and more importantly propulsive systems.
When you are still reliant on licensing jet engines you probably aren’t flying nearly physics breaking aircraft.
EW is a possibility however sensor spoofing still requires an asset near by and one with a lot of on board power.
Many of those incidents weren’t where Russia or China could realistically deploy assets too.
Right now the most plausible scenario (other than sensor artifacts and delusions) is that it’s either the US themselves doing it in secret or the private sector they are the only ones with the means to really test systems like the ones observed so far.
There will always be some blurry / ambiguous photos. The fact that no sharp pictures show alien spacecraft means that blurriness is the phenomenon.
As long as there are slow news days, media outlets make a big deal out of blotches and blobs, and we as a public continue to fall for that.
The fact is we should expect a certain amount of false positives. So the real question is do we see more of these cases than we’d probably get anyway.
The problem is: it takes much more effort to investigate (and possibly debunk) each of these occurrences than to shout "UFO! UAP!".
It always reminds of the rule of bullshit: it takes 10x more effort to debunk bullshit than to produce it. Thus if you don't want to be tangled up in believing lots of bullshit, you have to develop a certain resistance to it.
We as a public have not developed that certain resistance to uncertainty in observations, and still jump on them, thinking this time it could really be aliens.
>It's not just blurry photos. There are also military pilot sightings corroborated with radar and FLIR
Can you link to specific incidents? All the ones I'm aware of are all pretty blurry/ambiguous. That makes sense, considering that if there was a high quality photo of an alien aircraft, it would be a settled matter and we won't have to speculate on an internet forum about whether they exist or not.
Also pilots have been reporting seeing UFOs for nearly 100 years, arguably this is one of the first times we have some sensor data to back visual reports.
Actual grey people flying from another star system in a tin can; not very likely.
If you haven't heard of Mick West, check him out. He does a pretty convincing job explaining away quite a bit of the UFO stuff that's been "leaked" out of the military or reported on breathlessly by the media these days. My favorite recently was his breakdown of the "triangle UFOs" that were "swarming" a Navy ship off the California coast.
It’s simply the military’s job to detect, identify, and appropriately respond to anything that might by flying around them.
If they can’t do that, they’re not doing their job as well as they should.
But honestly, UFOs are a cover for the US military trying out Black projects on their own forces. If they can't figure out what it is, the Black project is working.
I was thinking the opposite. If the military cannot identify something (truly can't, not just saying they can't) then there is a serious gap in our sensor capabilities. If any entity needs to be able to identify objects, it's the military.
Funding secured.
Which coincidentally happen to be the two most highly intrumented naval test ranges in the world.
Ranges exist for two reasons: safely testing and monitoring shit.
There’s a reason Capt. Obvious was a sailor.
Looking at something like MK Ultra it is just a bunch of dudes doing shit by intuition and making massively dumb misstep’s. Unless things like that are just false flags to distract us from some hyper advanced and nefarious shadow govt we don’t know about.
It'd seem like a UFO compared to an F-16.
It does jive with history just fine.
If you think about our current technology it follows a pretty linear evolution going all the way back to steam engines, in that we are setting stuff on fire and catching the energy from it. We just have more efficient material and better energy capture. We would have had to surpass this modality for creating energy entirely to achieve the feats that some of these UFOs are performing. That would have massive implications for energy, transportation etc. This just doesn't make sense unless most of what we know about our government is some giant facade.
It's not clear what "that level of technology" even is. Mick West's analysis has convinced me that the videos the USN has publicly shown don't show any exotic capabilities.
Inb4 the usual response of "USN pilots are experts they know what they saw"
Experts can be mistaken. Experts can play pranks, participate in hoaxes, official disinformation schemes, etc.
I bet there's a market in consulting with corporate executives to help them future-proof their enterprises against alien invasions.
You're all in on all that?
The reason we appear so close is that well over 90% of driving is incredibly easy and can be performed without a sentient human being. This creates the impression that we're 90% there when we're nowhere near that close. We have decades of research to borrow from on this matter from drunk drivers, who are a perfect proxy for artificially intelligent machines attempting to drive automobiles without a sober human's fuzzy logic reasoning skills.
Both Big Tech and drunk drivers are very emboldened by that 90% of driving that doesn't require thinking and that 99% of driving that's not a life-or-death test of fuzzy logic reasoning skills.
If they think that lie will give the US military some sort of advantage against an adversary, of course they lie.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4axn8p/navy-says-all-ufo-vid...
> - They are extremely technologically advanced
No, that's not what the quotes say. None of the quotes I see says anything about the "technology" of UAPs. Only one of the quotes even uses the word "technology" and even that one is merely saying that "this isn't technology from foreign adversaries". That quote even leaves open the possibility that we're dealing with (say) natural weather phenomena, instrument problems, etc., let alone anything artificial.
While the "war on terror" seems to be dying down, what about the good old standby enemies (Russia and China)?
They just sold 1.2 billion dollars in military hardware to Taiwan, they can milk this for another 5 years at a minimum.
I cant wait for the news stories in the future.
The UFO's have a "interstellar space ship gap" or some other real or imagined "gap" we need to close.
The problem here though, is that the interstellar space aliens are smart enough to have sightings in every state, therefore insuring wide spread political support for additional funding
We just need some kind of narrative to trick politicians and world leaders into doing something useful instead of war.
Obviously they are not going to advocate building interstellar space flight simply because some "UFO" has it.
The gap between how the government runs in actual practice, and how citizens think it runs is so large that I'm not sure we can even communicate coherently about it
Never once has Raytheon or any other defense company tried to make me or any other PEO, acquisitions or contracting officer buy something by generating some fake scare in an attempt to make me or anyone who can actually spend money on behalf of the DoD do so (hint, there's not that many people who can actually approve real money).
People think there is some conspiracy to just grow our military for it's own sake - in fact it's almost always at the behest of a foreign partner that needs defense and is asking for the DoD to come and help them (usually via treaty or NATO request).
The reason the DoD and the US IC grows is because we are literally protecting the economic freedom of MOST of the world because they explicitly ask us to protect them. It is in our best interest to protect those who ask because the more people who are our partners and allies, the more we can increase trade and promote our way of life. Whether you think that is good or bad is up to you. However there is no secret government cabal sitting around trying to figure out some new fake reason to scare the population. There's more than enough scary things that you aren't dealing with on a daily basis because
What was the last time an American citizen seriously worried about being invaded by a foreign power or attacked by a nation state? It just doesn't even occur to the average citizen that there are about a million people working to ensure Americans don't even have to think about not being attacked by foreign power. This is true for every major nation state with a significant defense presence.
Except when there is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
> The proposals called for CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The possibilities detailed in the document included the remote control of civilian aircraft which would be secretly a repainted US Air Force plane,[2] the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas,[3] blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[2] The proposals were rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
It is true that unethical people have tried to do illegal things in the past. Gen Lemnitzer was fired as JCS and nothing ever came of it. How about when a group of traitors tried to get Gen Smedley Butler to run a coup in the Business plot?
There are always going to be people trying to seek power. The ENTIRE REASON we are structured the way we are with civilian politicians and civilian head of the DoD who are there at the will of the people is to prevent such situations and so far we've done a good job at rooting them out.
All this proves is that we need the best most ethical people running the show and it actually is important that you, the citizen, is involved in putting the right people in charge. So are you doing everything you can for your country to make sure that the best people are in charge and most importantly the functions of the system continue to act as checks on the others? Are you doing that? Have you done public service in ANY capacity? If so great, keep it up and maybe think about what you could be doing to make your system more robust and reducing similar risks.
If it did not exist, why was the dumb idea put forward? why the need to invade Cuba? Why all the other underhanded involvement in other countries over the years?
Then you list other examples of such nefarious behaviours?
Thankfully the US government does not have a serious problem with lobbying, corruption (number 27 on the world corruption index).
But sure, the fact the "bay of pigs" was discovered seems to prove things like this don't take place, yet you list Smedley of "war is a racket"?
Post 9/11, when American citizens rights were trampled in the name of "national seccuirty?
It is crazy you post what you did, stating you are a "senior DoD technology leader' and "know how it works".
So.. the "missile gap", real or imagined? If imagined, what was the purpose of allowing the US citizens to believe it was real?
U2 spy planes told the truth, US presidents did not.
Anticipating your response - Everything snowden revealed was authorized under Title 50 which is NOT the military, it's the Intelligence Community. There is a difference between NSA and CSS which do different things. You can be military and work under Title 50 but with a pretty serious restrictions under EO-12333
With respect to the missile gap - it's well documented that Russia has had more nukes than anyone since at least the 70s [1]. Go look at the SALT treaty work and mutual inspections (now discontinued unfortunately) for more detail on how these estimates have changed over the years.
If you're looking to me to defend unethical politicians for lying or exaggerating you'll not find much content - however again nothing here is evidence of a consistent and coherent "cabal of people trying to scare the public" in a conspiracy to keep finding bad people. The USSR really had a huge and growing nuclear arsenal and wanted as badly as they could to beat the US at nukes. This isn't some made up bullshit like aliens.
I don't have the energy to break it down further at the moment.
[1] https://fas.org/issues/nuclear-weapons/status-world-nuclear-...
https://www.jfklibrary.org/events-and-awards/forums/past-for...
"We are losing the satellite missile race with the Soviet Union," he noted, "because of complacent miscalculations, penny-pinching budget cutbacks, incredibly confused mismanagement and wasteful rivalries and jealousies." Once in office, when it was revealed that there was no gap and that, if anything, the US was ahead, he and his military advisors still had to deal with this issue.
I thought it might be interesting and fun at the outset to hear directly from President Kennedy as he discusses the missile gap with Secretary McNamara and others in a secretly recorded taped conversation in the Oval Office. The first voice you'll hear is Robert McNamara, followed by the President. We'll put a transcript on the screen to help you follow along.
McNamara: There was created a myth in the country that did great harm to the nation. It was created by, I would say, emotionally guided but nonetheless patriotic individuals in the Pentagon. There are still people of that kind in the Pentagon. I wouldn't give them any foundation for creating another myth.
JFK: [inaudible] that missile gap, as ones of those who put that myth around, a patriotic and misguided man [laughter]
Hmm.....
And at that point, I realized I had forgotten my waders, so I had to stop reading.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4axn8p/navy-says-all-ufo-vid...
We have highdef cameras in every pocket now - let's see a real 4k video of one.
In fact that 'false dilemma' is not a real argument at all. "You're either with us or against us!" "She criticised Capitalism; she must be a Communist!" "Marriage or career, a woman can't choose both!"
> In fact that 'false dilemma' is not a real argument at all. "You're either with us or against us!" "She criticised Capitalism; she must be a Communist!" "Marriage or career, a woman can't choose both!"
Seriously, are you drunk?
That was pretty clearly the false argument, and has no place in a rational discussion.
As I see it, there are basically two possibilities:
- There is a society of technologically advanced individuals on earth, whether human, alien, or something else.
- Each individual UAP encounter has some mundane explanation, and a large chunk of humanity has projected fantastical ideas onto them, to the point of full-blown hallucinations.
Not into: looking for aliens through word of mouth and blurry photos
The government recently released a report on UAP. Here's what the report concluded about certain unexplained observations:
- These are real objects (not some weather phenomena or camera effect)
- They have been observed behaving in a way that exceeds our known physics (acceleration, no means of propulsion, multi-modal transport (going from air to water))
- They are not Russian or Chinese tech
- They appear intelligently controlled
- They come and go from our militarily controlled airspace at will
- We don't know what they are.
The only conclusion I can draw from this data is aliens.
No.
I understand the utilitarian logic of it, but it still strikes me as pretty disgusting... there are people who actually believe this crap, and I don't think they're mentally better off for it.
Yes it did, I've actually seen a CI op get blown after being picked up by domestic media - months of hard work abandoned the instant Popular Science decided to write, at length, about some gee-wiz military tech - without actually doing any kind of investigation. Say what you will about the CIA and the rest of the USG, but the DoD actually makes a pretty serious effort to follow not only the letter of the law - but the spirit of the law.
* The CIA and NSA conduct mass surveillance of the American public, contrary to the law [1] [2]
* The CIA maintains illegal black sites with systematic torture [3]
* The CIA made a request to execute a false flag against american citizens to start war with Cuba [4]
* The CIA executes illegal assassinations and other covert operations [5]
* The Pentagon has presided over many illegal wars and war crimes [6] [7]
[1] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
[3] https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/guantanamo-transcripts-g...
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
[5] https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/12/21/do-we-need-...
Apparently by complaining about the CIA... which very solidly rooted in the unaccountable civilian "steady state". The NSA, while technically military, is run by civilian private contractors at the pleasure of the civilian executive branch. The major role military personnel play is to press the enter key, kicking off hacking scripts they didn't write, because we don't want Booz Allen Hamilton directly committing potential acts of war. Finally you end your response with an example of the military actually enforcing the law against transgressors within its ranks... so not a very logical response.
[1] https://josephsansone.substack.com/p/the-fake-alien-invasion...
- You'd need a way to send an "alien ship" into space, which would most likely involve Elon Musk and SpaceX
- This would be an absolutely massive operation. You'd need to keep it quiet. So either you're doing the vast amount of work with a super-AI that hasn't been announced yet (OpenAI, perhaps), or you'd have to figure out how to keep thousands of people from leaking the details. This would require a massive army of people, completely loyal to the cause.
- As there will be a bunch of people who don't believe the story, you'd need the willpower and inhumanity to kill them. But I imagine that someone invested in this story believes there is an army out there willing to do this for "the cause".
- The bitcoin thing is a bit out-of-left-field, but I guess that they want to ban Bitcoin because it's decentralized, and not Ethereum because it is "controlled" by Vitalik (who is in on this conspiracy?). They'd be doing this under the guise of energy savings, but instead just taking control of a traceable cryptocurrency.
This explains why so many conspiracy-minded folk are anti-mask and anti-vax. They likely see it as "conditioning" to do whatever is necessary for the world to survive (gradually escalating compliance?). So perhaps we are part of this army that is being raised to improve the world.
It's amusing to think about what would be required for this conspiracy, but alas I have not been sent my invitation to join the secret WEF army yet. Or is that what someone who _was_ invited would say?
I'm getting e-mails every week that invite me to join the Illuminati. Maybe I should not be sending them to spam? :)