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Isn't it "i18n"?

We put all the translations in a spreadsheet, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FoYdyEraEQuWofzbYCDP.... We didn't like the idea of storing in any more complex than a csv file.

All changes are shown to us in a diff before we merge, the csv is then downloaded and the i18n files created automatically after we merge the branch.

We've never had a single instance of abuse in over 10 years.

Internationalization (i18n). Localization (l10n). Globalization (g11n). Localizability (l12y).

Mozilla has a good article explaining the distinction: https://blog.mozilla.org/l10n/2011/12/14/i18n-vs-l10n-whats-...

Oh god, let's not start a10g words this way.

a10g means "abbreviating" by the w1y.

I promise it will not burn up too many more calories of soylent to just type it out, nor will it take much longer.

https://css-tricks.com/the-ironic-inaccessibility-of-a11y/

a11y looking like ally makes it the only one I don't roll my eyes at... but that only seems clever/memorable because of all of the preceeding awful uses of that abbreviation form.

H0a h0a h0a h0a h0a, I like that.

What gets me most is whether you have to count all the letters of the word, or just those left out.

J2t t3e l2t o1t

It’s infuriatingly annoying ;-)

Oh, it's supposed to be a lowercase “L”? I thought it was a vertical bar (“pipe”). Pipe ten nanoseconds? I wish HN used a more readable font.

Haha yeah I saw this earlier and that's exactly how I read it, I had no idea what it meant and I didn't click. Only now that I'm bored I went back to it- I would never have guessed the actual meaning

The ironic thing about this language is that it is an attempt to be "inclusive" by introducing weird shibboleths that exclude most people.

I was once informed by someone at a big tech that the reason for these "x[n]y" codes is because these words can be hard to spell for non-native speakers of English. Also, they added "a11y" (accessibility) to the list.

I think the real explanation was that these were introduced because "internationalization" is a long word and file path names used to be limited in the 1980s.

These abbreviations are among the stupidest trends in tech. We should learn from the Germans and embrace long words

Aka cute abbreviations that are impossible to remember or understand (c62d).

Like the actual meaning of PCMCIA cards:

People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms!

f4k this crap. Spell it out.

This covers strings, but what do you do about right-to-left languages, cultural differences in (say) information density, date pickers, color usage, UI preferences, emoji use, whatever? Did you make a conscious decision to only localize strings?

What do you mean with showing you the diff BEFORE you merge? Do you run a script comparing your current repository translation files with the ones on the google spreadsheet?

Hi HN,

Our project is Logto, an open-source solution that helps you build the sign-in, auth, and user identity within minutes.

The first public beta launched two months ago, and it is incredible that many people love our project and are willing to contribute even before our “Bounty Hunter” series. The community contributed translations of Français, Türkçe, 한국어, and Português, along with connectors for Azure AD, Kakao, Naver, and Discord.

We cannot be here without the community’s help, and we’d like to hear more from you. Feel free to let us know if Logto can help you or what you expect from Logto. Cheers!

Hi, this is super cool, congrats! I went through your documentation and it looks like your contributors have to manually edit files. My friend and I are currently working on an open source git-based translation editor and dev tools to ease contributing and managing translations. Check out our repo and let me know what you think! https://github.com/inlang/inlang

Looks like nice competition for Lokalise.

Shhhh ;)

Highly recommend integrating with CrowdIn, it's free for OSS and makes managing the translations _much_ easier, you can have their git integration push approved strings directly to your codebase.

Hi there, I would recommend Tolgee. It is made for web app localization and unlike Crowdin or Lokalise it's open-source.

https://github.com/tolgee/tolgee-platform

The community has been fantastic for translating Outline too, we've dealt with some small bits of abuse and misunderstandings but the result is currently 21 languages supported, most with over 80% of the application covered. It's taken about 2 years to get this far…

https://github.com/outline/outline/tree/main/shared/i18n/loc...

21 languages is a great achievement. What small bits of abuse and misunderstandings did you encounter along the way?

It certainly makes you realize that translation is as much an art as a science. For example we have a core concept of "Collections", many languages this could be translated in multiple different equivalents and we want to make sure that the closest is chosen. Misunderstanding might be someone that translated to Collection -> Drawer which isn't really correct.

Abuse has been minimal, mainly things like adding smiley faces into translation strings or just what you'd consider to be purposefully poor translation here and there. We use CrowdIn to manage the community and it provides tools to ban contributors in these cases.

Ha, I usually refer to the "Collections" problem as "What is a course?" -> "Is a course a university course, a course on the menu of a restaurant ...?". Context is one of the things that are missing I do translations.

Is there anything out of your head that are you missing with Crowdin?

Can someone explain what this is? The webpage is completely incomprehensible to me. It's some sort of Go translation thing?

One guy spared 1s by writing l10ns instead of localizations.

Thousands of people wasting minutes trying to find out what that is.

Nice project!

Heads up, the animations on your website are pretty laggy on Firefox (Firefox 104, Windows 10 1909).

C1n w0e p4e s2p w2h t3e r5d a9s?

It’s terrifying that I can mostly read this —(r5d has me stumped)— yeah, and figured that one out with a bit of thought too.

Retarded

Edit: just realized that should’ve been r6d. Case in point.

N0o, I0_ d2.5t t3k w0e c1n

(No, I don't think we can)

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