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I'm consider myself well versed on american politics, and I'm not picking sides. Believe or not I read more about american politics every day than about politics of my own country.

Reading random guys in the internet it's not the only thing I do and I don't think I implied that. It was just a data point to support that the notion that it's not widely accepted that leftist bias is present in some tech platforms.

I have the impression you are trying to "defeat" without the need of presenting any argument just because I'm not american. If you want some kind of victory it's yours. If you have convincing arguments I will be delighted to hear them. Still waiting, though.

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> I don't watch Fox News, just read comments on american dominated forums like this one and reddit (the regular subrredits like r/news or r/europe, not obscure ones).

> I'm consider myself well versed on american politics, and I'm not picking sides. Believe or not I read more about american politics every day than about politics of my own country.

If you aren’t watching (and I’m presuming reading) Fox News , one of the most large republican primary source of American Politics , what exactly are you watching/reading to be well versed?

No - I said what I said, which is that I don’t have time to get into everything you may not know about. Call it a stalemate if you need to.

For what it’s worth, I respect that American internet culture is perhaps inescapable for non-Americans and am not refusing discussion based on that. It’s mostly about how you didn’t know she was referring to Trump supporters as fascist (a concept I imagine you would disagree with, based on your statements so far), but well - a good deal of Trump supporters became radicalized fascists resulting in the events of Jan. 6.

Not to mention the bulk of the Republican Party incorrectly believes that the 2020 election was stolen.

> was referring to Trump supporters as fascist (a concept I imagine you would disagree with, based on your statements so far)

Now we're making progress.

Yes, I guessed she was referring to Trump supporters. And that's exactly the problem I have with the article. It's hard to disagree with someone who argues for formulae to fight fascism, until you realize that term means something different for every person, specially if she's in the left.

How do you know she doesn't apply that label to every Trump supporter and not just the kind of one who stormed the Capitol?

And after reading that article. Are you sure she would be ok with the fact that trumpists were using Signal to communicate on Jan 6 and wouldn't try to undermine its usage among them? Sure, there are multiple interpretations of her words, but certainly it raises a doubt. And that and no other was my point.

> Not to mention the bulk of the Republican Party incorrectly believes that the 2020 election was stolen.

Come on. You don't sincerely believe that.

Don’t know what to tell you… Not at all interested in hashing this out. My mental health has already suffered plenty because of it since Trump was elected. I’m deeply uninterested in helping you see my perspective when you respond with “you don’t seriously believe that” - signaling that you think my viewpoint is laughable to the point of being unrealistic to you.

edit: If you don’t know how contentious this issue is (for both sides), it’s perhaps worth realizing that Americans have been fighting a lot lately, to the point of exhaustion. This is well past the point of “healthy public debate” and a lot closer to “2+2=5”. So if you see anyone else like me who just isn’t interested, try to remember that they have already had the same argument a hundred times with others, maybe even loved ones.

Edit 2: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/at-least-120-republican...

You’re simply way too overconfident. A sibling comment just posted an article and your response was your personal pet theory conspiracy about hunter bidens laptop??

Please, just stop. You clearly have a set agenda and just want to try to “catch hypocrites in the act with FACTS and LOGIC”. This isn’t YouTube, the standard of discourse is higher than that here.

Can you please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar, and particularly please edit out the personal swipes in your comments? Those things destroy the kind of discussion we're hoping for here, and your comments in this thread stand out along both of those lines.

In fact there were gratuitous personal swipes in literally every comment you posted to this thread. Please make your substantive posts without any of that in the future.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

A majority of republican voters do:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/poll-finds-65-of-republica...

What party members believe, I can only infer from what they say. But if anything, it seems even more extreme.

The questions wording doesn't explicitly mentions voting fraud. People could be referring to the handling of hunters' laptop or something like that.

There are two words that I suspect are very difficult for you to say - “you’re right”.

You just lost, plain as day. Your “rebuttal” is pure conjecture, clearly informed solely by your biases and lack of knowledge.

But no, it’s _totally_ Hunter Biden’s laptop (eyes roll harder).

You would be into a real civil war if a third of the population would definitely think a president was elected with fake votes.

Take it as you want.

Have a nice day.

I agree with you, and many people say that we are heading towards civil war. Fun fact - this country already had a civil war in the 1800’s. But you knew that, I’m guessing, didn’t you? ;)

Again, I suggest you stop being so overconfident about subjects you’re uninformed on.

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