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Sorry, what "conspiracy" is it that you're claiming? Here are the last two sentences of the comment. Both are objectively true:

> We know some states, NY & NJ in particular, ordered at-risk populations of eldery to sequester their vulnerable infected, with the vulnerable un-infected, and to continue to accept covid infected referrals from hospitals.

This is 100% true [1].

> We know that hospitals and potentially others, have received renumerations based on covid cases, diagnoses, and cause of death that may disproportionately effected ICD coding used by hospital administrators.

This is also true. Every hospital in the US gets paid higher medicare rates for Covid patients. Even factcheck.org admits the truth of the statement, despite trying hard to "debunk" it [2].

[1] https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/cuomos-nursing-home-fias...

[2] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-...

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>what "conspiracy" is it that you're claiming?

It's definitely a conspiracy to simultaneously claim that "hospitals" were deliberately misdiagnosing non-covid deaths as covid deaths while doing high mental gymnastics to rationalize while excess deaths exceed covid deaths and the excess comes exactly during the infection waves.

misdiagnosing sounds like your words not mine. Stay on topic. The topic is billing and coding.

Hospital administrators are going to pursue whatever is their best billing and coding option. That is logical.

Why would they submit for a finger injury that pays $500 when they can get a covid bump-up for $2000?

The topic is that you are alleging a conspiracy for something which is exactly backed by the excess death data. For an explanation of which you have to invent a second conspiracy.

>Why would they submit for a finger injury that pays $500 when they can get a covid bump-up for $2000?

Because if this was routinely done, there will be some sort of proof. Where is the proof? Is there a third conspiracy to suppress it?

I am on topic. The topic is the conspiracy nutting around covid which you epitomize.

You're making a grave mistake, and I am happy to point it out.

In the case of an unknown pathogen potential first treatments may prove to be wrong. Likewise, vaccines flawed. And for this there is a great history of flawed vaccines, such as the Polio Vaccine Live Virus debacle [1] the Simian contamination of Polio vaccines [2], or perhaps the Swine flu [3]. How much more so with a novel therapeutic technology that is not well understood, or which there appears to be troubling side effects? A vaccine mandate can make it even worse [4]

Much of the destructive influences Covid has had was not because of the virus exclusively, but because of the economic effects from mandated lockdowns [5], and potentially, contributions from mandated vaccines [6]

Whether you agree with Covid lockdown economic destruction or not, people are writing about it [7] from many different perspectives [8].

I provide much evidence. Let's hope you can respond with more than an ignoble response lacking any historical merit.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9450713/

[3] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-s...

[4] https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/02/08/trouble-vaccine-mandate...

[5] https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/how-much-exactly-have-co...

[6] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/hospita...

[7] https://fee.org/articles/study-lockdowns-had-largest-impact-...

[8] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/an-economist-explains...

Ah, here comes the conspiracy. Except that, if the culprit was "the economic effects from mandated lockdowns, and potentially, contributions from mandated vaccines", excess deaths wouldn't exactly (and it really is exactly) track case counts and instead would be evenly spread during the "lockdown" periods and the vaccine administration periods. Which is not the case.

Your "evidence" (to the extent it is evidence at all) is cherrypicked, for lack of a better world, sh*t.

If you could read the previous comment you would notice several factors are mentioned but you are too busy confirming you bias towards a single factor to explain everything. One dimension thinking.

It mentions 2 factors, both of which easily disprovable since excess deaths almost perfectly track case numbers and not vaccines administered and/or lockdown stringency. Better luck with your "it's complicated" bullsh*t next time.

You haven't disproved anything with your one sentence evidence lacking comments, and you have no evidence thus far. Gotta link some data which you haven't.

Bob and Alice each have 1000 balls. I add 1000 balls and add 1000 anti-balls. Alice now has 0 balls while Bob has 2000 balls. What happened? Were Alice's balls annihilated and Bob picked up the new balls? Did Bob steal from Alice while his balls were annihilated? We just do not know without seeing some extra detail within.

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