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Your argument looks like blatant self victimisation. Kiwi Farms is involved in the suicides and endangerement of multiple people. I really don't see the coherence in your arguments here.

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It is not without merit to assume the counter-argument is made in a bad faith. The discussion is about wider implications of deplatforming a specific site based on the mob justice of small group of people instead of legal proceedings where each side would be able to defend their position. It is also about the discrepancy between accusations and facts because the subject has become so distorted.

Last but not least, "...I would kick such people out of the healthcare system or make them pay more for living obese unhealthy lives." by Febra33 [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29286944#29287326 / https://web.archive.org/web/20220905202953/https://news.ycom...

Take from that what you will.

If they are doing something criminal, let the courts set them out with an established procedure and a a group of informed jurors instead of mob rule.

There's no mob rule. A private company decided to stop servicing that filth because it would hurt their profits. There's nothing freer than this.

This is mob rule, private companies do nothing but appeal to whatever they have to in order to make money, and to rely on them for control of our basic ability to have a platform is incredibly harmful and you should not support it.

There are some powers which should not be in the hands of corporate executives, this is one of them.

There are also times that it wouldn't be mob rule, those times should be shareholder rule, which is liable to be even more harmful and even less transparent.

So you're telling me that companies shouldn't have full control over their operations and products and that the government should limit them in that aspect?

I think that systems like cloudflare should be treated partially as utilities and required to provide services as if they were one, because that's what they are.

There are lots of times that companies find themselves in a position of such responsibility and power that they can no longer be trusted to wield that responsibility and power without public oversight.

My concern with this would evaporate entirely if I knew that there was some form of reasonable checks and balances against companies like cloudflare doing whatever the heck they want to do, and all it would take in the future to get a website off the internet is some mass of well connected people deciding that a site should go away.

This is not an issue with the site being taken down, it's an issue with entirely unregulated power held by people who should not hold that power.

As if the Kiwifarms community is anything other than a mob. This whole drama is basically about a bunch of people who love to dish out abuse but can't take it.

In an ideal world (in this world) we would be able to both deal with bad actors and not have mob rule at the same time.

That's not my idea of an ideal world. I think reciprocity has its place and don't wish to inhabit some sort of social kindergarten in which every dispute must be solved through a process of arbitration.

This only works if people who think like you are a minority. The other side can reciprocate just as hard as you can. If they can't, they'll escalate in different ways.

Society means having rules and agreeing to follow them. Yes, even for disputes like these.

Nonsense. You can argue that to be true for a reciprocity -only proposition, but claiming that any reciprocity causes society to collapse is absurd. The proof is that most jurisdictions recognize rights of self-defense and expand it in some contexts (eg your home), and yet society endures.

In this case, what's the difference between mob rule and serving your customers?

Odd, for some reason i'm getting the urge to disconnect your internet service, because it would hurt my profits, and i decided your opinion is dangerous to free society.

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