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And so the knowledge of a poor development experience for Common Lisp keeps spreading.

Please don't take HN threads into internecine PL flamewar. It's not in the interests of the thread, the HN community, or the Lisp community.

On HN, we've always particularly wanted to avoid the nasty tribal fights that have afflicted CL discussions in the past.

It is not a flamewar, rather being deprived of the knowledge of what a full blown Common Lisp experience used to be like.

Yes but we need you to make those points substantively, neutrally, interestingly—without swipes or putdowns: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. If you just post grumpy one-liners we're going to get a flamewar, and the primary fault for that lies with the comment that starts it.

I know from many past comments that you have a ton of knowledge to share—it would be way better if you would explain some of that to the rest of us, rather than holding it back and just giving us a shallow version of your final conclusion, with a pointed end.

This is, like some other of your comments, very condescending. I won't speculate on what you hope to achieve by these remarks, just comment that I don't think this kind of condescension has done Common Lisp much good over its history.

Oh well, I already know how Common Lisp environments of yore used to be like.

If others don't care to learn about them so be it.

Who said poor development environment. Emacs is a terrific lisp editor and straight sbcl (or any real lisp) is a better dev env than almost any other straight pl env.

i think you mean sbcl+emacs+slime/sly. straight sbcl is pretty limited

To be clear, slime isn’t necessary.

Compared to how Lisp Machines used to like, yes it is poorer.

Commercial CL environments are the surviving ones that still offer a similar experience.

Yeah, but that’s just complaining that just because we used to have flying cars we still should. We decided as a society to give up on flying cars. They’re gone. Move on with your (our) boring 2D lives.

I don’t think it’s fair to say that we’ve given up on Lisp machines because we chose to do so. Most people never got to experience them to begin with! Certainly not enough people to build as thorough a software ecosystem as we expect nowadays.

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