De-platforming works.
Just some Facebook likes and nothing actually gets solved.
Another thought, Hitler on his rise to power was also deplatformed, literally thrown into prison. Everyone laughed at him and his Nazi party. Next thing you know he is out of prison and is genociding an entire continent.
I truly fear we are in for bloodshed in the future because all we do is try and shut out the crazy Qanons, the MAGAs, the white supremacists and just complete fucking degenerates but nobody actually tries to fix the problem. We are just stuffing the problem in a closet and hoping it doesn't find its way out.
And now for what actually happened:
> Approximately two thousand Nazis marched on the Feldherrnhalle, in the city centre, but were confronted by a police cordon, which resulted in the deaths of 16 Nazi Party members and four police officers... Hitler was found guilty of treason and sentenced to five years in Landsberg Prison, where he dictated Mein Kampf to fellow prisoners Emil Maurice and Rudolf Hess. On 20 December 1924, having served only nine months, Hitler was released. Once released, Hitler redirected his focus towards obtaining power through legal means rather than by revolution or force, and accordingly changed his tactics, further developing Nazi propaganda
If there is any lesson here it's that Hitler wasn't punished severely enough and forgiven too quickly.
What would you have had society do? Just ignore his literal attempted violent overthrow of the government??
A good 'ol gun to the head does the same job for cheaper plus it takes care of the root of the problem
De-platforming are tools just like guns. Applied properly they are a force for good.
In this case, it was used well.
In a free society business owners do whatever they want. That includes hosting content that runs counter to government positions, and the right to NOT HOST content they disagree with (for whatever reason, even financial or publicity-related reasons).
In Putin's Russia, organizations are forced to carry content they don't agree with, or they are prohibited.
That's not an exaggeration. If the government says you must publish an article about how awesome a new airplane or how righteous the orthodox church is, or how bad the evil Ukrainians are, you must do so.
Many free speech morons think that organizations should be forced to carry messages they disagree with... because freedom.
Freedom is being able to tell someone to fuck off.
Freedom is also having to deal with the consequences from the public if you tell the wrong person to fuck off or you don't tell a deserving person to fuck off.
What the free speech morons are proposing is so much worse than what we have now that the terror it could cause would be inconceivable, unless you're an anti-government journalist in Russia, of course. It's not inconceivable, it's your Monday.
It is so charming to see all of the fReE mArKeT lovers on HN twist themselves into pretzels when it comes to things like this.
It's not a hard concept but the free speech morons seem incapable of understanding it.
If the free speech morons had their way HN would be powerless to stop me from posting the addresses and phone numbers of people I disagree with.
Something like cloudflare, where their decision to host or not host you can be the difference between being able to be online and not, needs to be regulated as a utility because executives at cloudflare should not have the authority to determine who can and cannot host a website on the internet.
Mob rule is not good, and mob rule will lead to oppression of some form if left alone for long enough.
There is no exception to that rule, it is only a matter of time before it happens.
There should be reasonable restrictions on behavior based on harm, but those restrictions should not be in the hands of mob rule or companies like cloudflare. Those restrictions should be based on rule of law and determined in a courtroom with informed jurors and a fair trial.
There are times where that is excessive, this is not one of them because cloudflare is such an important piece of infrastructure. For a private form? You can delete whatever the heck you want, you should be able to.
Something like cloud flare, however, is more of a utility. Giving it the power to shut people off is giving it too much power.
Kiwi farms is clearly an issue that needs to be handled, but in my mind to handle it requires you be hesitant, it requires you be reluctant to shut them down because you don't want to step over that line. It means setting up barriers to your authority to shut other people down.
This, what I see here, is a glee for it. It's loarding your power over others, it's enacting revenge.
That is the toxicity I see. Pragmatic handling of speech requires that you sometimes shut down bad actors, but when the people in charge are doing it without concern, or the people driving it or using unchecked forces to do it, that's an issue.