Something I'm curious about in this whole thing: who is DDoSing kiwifarms? Most people find their content reprehensible but does that usually translate into people DDoSing something?
It helps it's the easiest way to do damage to a website and you just can pay someone to do the tech part of the hack. A DDoS attack is as easy to buy as the web hosting you're attacking now, back in the day you had to set up the botnet yourself
It takes literally one disgruntled person to pay $5 to take down most IPs that don't have DDoS protection. Sometimes a free booter is enough.
If they end up running the site on a server with no DDoS filtering at all, people will probably DoS them because it will be super easy.
Only some ivory tower conservative could believe people on welfare or disability are throwing money at tech nerd services to bring them down. What an incredible victim complex.
IIRC the context of that quote was that Kiwi Farms has/had several people constantly filing frivolous lawsuits against it who were literally on welfare/government support.
Suing people is unpleasant and expensive and tends to favor people with money who can afford to hire effective lawyers, very few of whom will work for so little that they can be afforded on welfare. If people on welfare are suing someone, it's probably because they actually have a grievance with them and feel legally wronged, regardless of whether their lawsuits are frivolous or not.
I don't think anyone on welfare is thinking, "the most enjoyable way for me to spend this money is to get involved in a legal process." If a lot of Kiwi Farms lawsuits come from people who are jobless and on disability, I think the more likely conclusion is that it might have something to do with who the site's common targets were.
I don't have any links on hand, but from what I recall they were all Pro Se. My understanding is that many of them were discovered by KF in the first place because they were vexatious litigants.
One of the vexatious litigants had previously sued Taylor Swift and threatened to abuse her lawyer's daughter, resulting in a high-profile lawyer representing Kiwi Farms Pro Bono against him.
The truth is wilder than fiction.
That seems if anything to reinforce the idea that this is unrelated to welfare?
- KF finds some vexatious litigants and starts targeting them
- The vexatious litigants sue KF
- ???
The pattern that's jumping out to me here isn't that people are on government assistance.
I don't recall claiming that it was because of welfare. I'm merely providing context to one of the earlier posts — a number of people on government assistance are constantly trying to take the site down, the admin notices a pattern with the DDoS attacks, and speculates it's because that aligns with when government assistance is paid out.
I am not saying that his speculation was true, but it makes significantly more sense if you understand why he may have come to the conclusion.
The narrative is obviously "those idiot leftists on the dole don't have jobs and waste their time and money on this." The causal relationship is critical to the narrative.
Of course they are, which is why I never said or implied this.
I am referring to people who spend years filing frivolous lawsuits that are continuously dismissed for things like improper jurisdiction, failing to state a claim, or suing the wrong people, and ignore any judgement or advice provided by the judge. Hence why I referred to them as vexatious.
> The narrative is obviously "those idiot leftists on the dole don't have jobs and waste their time and money on this." The causal relationship is critical to the narrative.
I am fairly left-leaning and grew up on government assistance. There is no narrative beyond describing factual events.
I will try to link some relevant court cases when I get home.