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It’s very simple to find a high quality ICE vehicle that is not substantially networked to remote services, or at least that you can easily disconnect. I brought a brand new one very recently, nobody is able to remotely control the vehicle, and the only surveillance instruments in the car are the ones I choose to carry around with me.

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Any modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io

If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.

Not kill. Control. Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. Like BMW charging a monthly fee to activate features already built into the car. Like UI updates that are automatic and make options worse but you can't stop the updates.

Being harmed is also a concern. I don’t own any other products where a software bug or compromised system has quite the same potential to physically harm me.

But underlying that is the fact that there are no networked features that I personally want my car to have. So however small the risks (of both physical harm and being effected by bizarre networked car dark patterns), they are risks that I would be taking exclusively for the benefit of the manufacturer of the product for which I am supposedly the customer. As long as there is an acceptable alternative to such a product, I will always choose the alternative.

>Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for.

If you think this has happened, I believe you are mistaken. But I'm open to hearing evidence.

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