Was Vincent van Gogh color blind? (2012)
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"Can't see any numbers? Your done."
"No! Give me a minute. I know I'm not colorblind."
"No. You are done. Only people who are colorblind see numbers in the last pages."
I had bent several creases in their book.
They're better at detecting camouflage than trichromats.
Something like "Out there are twenty soldiers hiding and you can't see them!"
Me: Raises hand, "Permission to speak? Yeah, there's one there, and there, and over there..."
Sgt: "Your colorblind, right? Drop and start pushing the ground down until I'm tired."
I honestly had no idea that this was a thing, but I guess it makes sense; colour blind people do see colour, but they see it in a different way, which could be leveraged to spot things people with normal vision don't.
I guess that also means that every squad should have one colour blind person, and camouflage should be designed to foil colour blind people too. Of course there are different kinds of colourblindness, which makes things more complicated.
I've never understood, and feel I have no intuition for, responses like this. What's the value added by this? Any excuse for exercise? Internalising that the sergeant is always right even when they're wrong? Or is "permission to speak" just a Hollywood affectation not really present in the military?
Sure, it's the "until I get tired" (emphasis mine) part that's the main surprise to me. The extremity, more than the specific exercise.
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone...
The "permission to speak" is to train discipline and to prevent chaos. After basic, it pretty much goes away except in outstanding circumstances (eg, addressing a very high ranking individual).
Do they have special ink and printers for color blind/ tetrachromats?
Basically, you add noise to the picture that can only be picked up by non-colour-blind people.
Most colour-blind people can still see colours. Only a small fraction is reduced to greyscale.
Those pictures would likely be calibrated to the different versions of colour-blindness.
Your idea might work for some pictures.
However, I've been told my color blind friends that they don't work so well depending on your type.
If you were the right kind of deficient, though, it read 'Color vision? We don't need color vision where we are going!'
I would describe myself as a sort of green/brown colour blind - at least I know which colours cause me issues.
Turns out it disqualified me for around 70% of all jobs in the Air Force. Turned out to be a blessing in disguise because of the jobs left, they were the likes of Computer Systems programming, contracting, intellegence, etc. It made sure i wasn't going to be working in some warehouse doing electrical, or gaurding some gate as security forces.
The article just says "these 2 guys say Van Gogh was color blind". One of the links is 404, the other is in Japanese. And the article doesn't present any evidence.
I went to Van Gogh's Museum in Amsterdam last month. A color blind wouldn't be able to do what that guy did.
It is really a "seeing is believing" experience. Most photographies can't capture the very little nuances in color hues that you can only see in the real picture. The blue/white one with the cherries in blossom and the ones with the sunflowers are the perfect example of it.
(Obviously I don't think he was totally blind, I'm only saying subtitles of colour aren't evidence of anything).
> I am crazy about two colors: carmine and cobalt. Cobalt is a divine color and there is nothing so beautiful for creating atmosphere. Carmine is as warm and lively as wine… the same with emerald green.
> The Mediterranean has the color of mackerel, changeable I mean. You don’t always know if it is green or violet, you can’t even say it’s blue, because the next moment the changing reflection has taken on a tint of rose or gray.
They look incredible, and significantly more life-like in the simulated colorblind version compared to the regular version.
Quick excerpt of a letter to Theo:
"I still often run up against a blank wall when undertaking something, but all the same, the colours follow one another as if of their own accord, and taking a colour as the starting-point I see clearly in my mind’s eye what derives from it, and how one can get life into it.
Jules Dupré is like Delacroix in landscape, for what enormous diversity of mood he expressed in symphonies of colour.
Now a seascape, with the most delicate blue-greens and broken blue, and all sorts of pearly tones.
Then an autumn landscape with foliage from deep wine red to vivid green, from bright orange to dark havana, with yet more colours in the sky in greys, lilacs, blue, white, forming another contrast to the yellow leaves.
Then again a sunset in black, in violet, in fiery red.
Then again more capricious, like the corner of a garden by him that I saw and have never forgotten; black in the shadow, white in the sun, bright green, a fiery red, and then again a dark blue, a bituminous greenish brown and a light brownish yellow. Truly colours that can have quite a lot to say to one another."
Here's the most important part of that letter:
"Still, it doesn’t satisfy me. To my mind there’s far more behind not doing it in the local colour. True painters are the ones who don’t do it in the local colour — that was what Blanc and Delacroix discussed once."
At the time the impressionists were discovering that our color sense is counter-intuitive. They were developing methods of painting a color by using contrasts near a gray to imply the inverse color, etc. That's what he means by not "[doing] it in the local color."
You put red by gray and the gray looks green by contrast.
To look at those paintings and say "I guess he painted this way because he couldn't see the color right" is incredibly ignorant. His choices were deliberate and he documented them in excruciating detail.
Now, if only someone could filter it to simulate non-colour-blindness for me, so I can see what they see!
allaboutvision.com/conditions/color-blind-glasses.htm
Allegedly the EnChroma glasses work better the weaker your color deficiency is (i.e. they work worse the worse you already are at telling colors apart). For me there's a pronounced effect but it's mostly through shifting all colors more into violet and yellow.
Using them was the first time green LED traffic lights appeared "saturated" to me although yellow traffic lights appeared a bit darker than normal. A clear blue sky appears vibrant but with a noticeable violet tint. Flowers look neat as reds and purples "pop" in the same way pure blues and yellows do normally. I can tell whether lawns are healthy or dried out.
But they don't "fix" my color vision. Of course not. They can't add color where I'm physically unable to perceive it. They wouldn't allow me to pass most colorblindness tests or operate machinery that requires normal color vision. They can however modulate some parts of the visible spectrum so others stand out more. And they're really good at that.
I've had my EnChroma sunglasses for a few years now and I use them instead of regular sunglasses in most situations (except when I expect they might get damaged). I would probably buy them again. I considered buying regular EnChroma glasses but I've heard the effect isn't as strong and as I'm already not in the group benefiting the most, I worry the effect wouldn't be good enough to justify the price tag. YMMV.
EDIT: I'm fully aware of the dramatic reaction videos that made them popular all over social media for a while. I saw them after I found out about EnChroma and after I had already decided to give them a try but before I was able to do so. If anything, these videos made my experience of first using them more underwhelming. Yes, I could "see" purple in a different way than ever before, but knowing the reaction videos and knowing the person I was with knew them almost triggered a form of imposter syndrome because I simply didn't experience the overwhelming sensation the videos suggested I should perform.
Fortunately I don't need short/long corrective lenses, so there's no way I'd wear glasses just for improving colour perception a bit. Even if they were free (I'd try them as a gimmick, sure, I just doubt I'd want to wear them regularly).
(It's just greyscale to me fwiw, as someone non-tritanopically (I've never been sure what, nor the optician, doesn't seem to be cleanly proto or deuteranomoly, perhaps some combination?) colour-blind viewing it filtered to simulate that. On some hand-wavey high level I lack the ability to see what's left after what I can see has been removed, I suppose.)
(I'm sure it doesn't always feel that way)
https://www.vischeck.com/daltonize/
But no one seemed particularly interested. Let me know if you are...
With protanopia, the L cone cell is affected. For deuteranopia, it's the M cone cell.
However, if colour-blindness is not so strong for most people, then these articles should depict a lesser form of colour-blindness as well, to more accurately convey the experience. I don't think I've ever seen a post on colour-blindness that did.
To me, one of the images clearly has a yellow color where the other image has a green-ish color.
And I watched the gif prior to reading your description of the difference - I experience this strange phenomenon sometimes whereby the colour of something (or the presence of different colours) morphs in front of my eyes, after someone describes it or claims that it's there. (Red and green bars on a chart for example might all be the same, then someone says 'blah blah in the second red bar' and all of a sudden I can distinguish them, see the red or green that wasn't there before. Or a bridge in London that suddenly looked green when I was told it was called Green Bridge.) I wish it was easier to learn more about it, because I find that kind of fascinating (and mildly 'scary'!) - must surely mean it's not just about the eyes, but my brain is smoothing over some rough edges as though small red/green differences are assumed to be wrong, but if someone confirms them then the parameters are altered.
I haven’t ever experienced the reperception-by-suggestion phenomenon that you describe. But I do think that, when I was young, I gradually became a bit better at distinguishing and remembering colors than I had been as a child, perhaps because having been told that I was color-blind made me pay more attention to colors. “Purple” was a mystery to me when I was ten; by the age of twenty, I could usually distinguish it from blue.
Your description of how you see colors morphing once they're described is interesting! The brain definitely does a whole lot of complex visual processing which we don't notice, such as filtering out the big hole in your retina which nerves go through, and retroactively replacing the memory of your eyes moving with what you see after they've moved. And your peripheral vision is almost entirely grayscale, yet the brain fills in the colors it expects to be there so it doesn't feel grayscale. It doesn't surprise me that when color information is missing due to color blindness, it will fill in the missing color information from other sources.
Those do appear to be literally identical to my eyes as well. I made a similar gif of those: https://p.mort.coffee/UIt.gif -- I can only see the noise shifting around a little bit. And GIMP agrees; the RGB histogram looks incredibly similar between the two images (https://p.mort.coffee/tn8.png vs https://p.mort.coffee/t3z.png).
The visibility probably depends a lot on your display color calibration and how fil spectrum your ambient light is. Incandescent "soft white" and modern imitations, common in household lighting, is usually yellow/orange.
I even overlayed the two images over each other and flicked back and forth between them.. they are identical
> Why is protanopia like deuteranopia? Red and green colorblind deficiencies (deuteranopia and protanopia) are very similar, as these cones often overlap. Therefore, protanopia and deuteranopia can often eliminate the ability to see both red and green, showing the world in vibrant blues and yellows, as well as very similar browns, oranges, reds, and greens.
> People with deuteranomaly and protanomaly are often incorrectly diagnosed collectively as ‘red-green’ colour blind because both types generally have difficulty distinguishing between reds, greens, browns and oranges. They also commonly confuse different types of blue and purple hues and many other colour combinations.
> The answer is that dichromatic colorblindness is imitated by assuming two of the three types of receptors receive the same light input. In deuteranopia, for example, the assumption is that the neural receptors expecting medium (M) and long (L) wavelength light are both receiving signals from cones with long (L) pigments. This results in the yellow you noticed. Note also that deuteranopia and protanopia don’t result in exactly the same hue of yellow because of the difference between their peak sensitivities. In one case it is assumed all signals are coming from L pigments and in the other all from M pigments.
Seems like there is more variation in chromes filters than the ones shown in the article.
BTW they look the same to me too.
In chrome: console > rendering > emulate vision deficiencies
It should be very obvious that a color blind person painted something, he'd mix up greens and reds and browns in ways that look strange. Around brown it should be the most obvious, look for olive green mixed in brown. I obviously can't do it myself tho.
Not sure what exactly happened, but if you search for this post through algolia, it shows the post being a few days old.
"You can't see any color at all?!?"
Then i'd have to back track and say "No the word should be "Color Different/ difficient". I have 3.5 cones that choose where color lies on my spectrum, where you have 4."
One might say, i don't get the various hues and brightness of color in losing that .5, but i would say i see entirely different colors than you. There's no way hues and brightness can lead to the conversations i've had about whether that color is red or green, blue or purple, yellow or green.
What's funny is there is almost no way to truely understand the difference in consciouss awareness of the world, even as something as simple as color.
People with perfect pitch can be played a note on a piano, and identify it sight-unseen. "That's a C-sharp", they'll say confidently. Most others can tell if a note is higher or lower than another, or can pick an interval.
Regular colour vision is perfect pitch for colours. Most folks can identify a blue or a green in isolation, but some like me can only see relationships between colours (one is "bluer" or "greener" than another).
The linked article (which has very few pictures, this link to work by the original researcher has much more: https://asada0.tumblr.com/post/11517603099/the-day-i-saw-van... ) is about something else, namely a form of color blindness that distorts your vision in ways that are a lot less obvious than the way more common red/green or even blue/yellow color blindness.
I’m not an expert, of course, but to my layman’s eyes the “corrected” images look much, much better than the u corrected ones (you’ll need to see them indoors, however, on a reasonably good screen, to truly appreciate the difference). Uncorrected van Gogh’s work always strikes me as flat, lifeless and therefore amateurish. The corrected ones have much more depth and therefore, while garish, strike me as much more competent.
I'd like to see a follow-up that uses pigment analysis to identify exactly where that green is used and how much, and similate modifying it.
>red/green deficieny
choose one