An Apple Watch for Your 5-Year-Old? More Parents Say Yes
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The effect on independence has been interesting. They seem to feel more reassured about venturing farther afield, so they've been riding bikes to shops and restaurants and their friends' houses much more frequently than they did before. (Of course, before they were also younger and there was more covid, but their calls to check in tell me that they like being able to ask a question or keep us up to date on their plans.)
As for durability, I got some chunky hard cases for the watches and there have been no issues. You can also get the "solo loop" band, so they don't have to deal with clasps, and the watches never fall off.
He isn't pining for a smart phone yet, nor do his friends seem to generally own them, so that wouldn't be the motivation but I can understand how it would be a good intermediate step. Gradually increasing access to these technologies and educating them along the way makes sense to me, rather than passing the child the firehose when they turn a certain magical age.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/09/apple-extends-the-app...
Things like:
> Family Setup brings a new mode called Schooltime, which will help ensure kids stay focused and attentive while learning at home or in the classroom. During Schooltime, a distinctive yellow circle is displayed on the watch face for teachers and parents to easily recognize, signifying that access to apps is restricted and Do Not Disturb is turned on.
and
> With Family Setup, family members without iPhone can take advantage of the many features and apps on Apple Watch, from making and receiving phone and FaceTime audio calls, to sending and receiving messages and emails, and even connecting with other Apple Watch wearers over Walkie-Talkie. The new Memoji app on Apple Watch allows users to customize a Memoji that can be shared while messaging friends or displayed as a watch face. Parents have the ability to approve all contacts, so kids can safely use the communication features of Apple Watch.
and
> A family member’s location can be shared with their guardian through the Find People app on Apple Watch, and location notifications are more customizable, allowing the guardian to receive an update on their family member’s location for one occasion, or on a recurring or time-based schedule.
It's been great for other things though. Facilitating social connections w/ friends (the cellular watch gets its own number) and the walkie talkie feature is awesome for when he needs to quickly check in for an opinion or if I need for him to come home and don't want to stand on my back porch and yell generally into the neighborhood like a maniac. There even was a mildly scary time this summer where his summer camp called us and said they wanted to confirm we got him early (we hadn't). We were able to shoot them a screenshot of his location data and politely ask them to get it together and they found him swinging on a tire swing at the edge of the camp.
The worst part is when i get a call, i have to decline it, put on my airpods, open the podcast app to make sure my watch is connected to my airpods, and then call back. If I pick up the call immediately i either have to ask them to wait while i put on airpods and sometimes the call is stuck on watch speakers (which is less than ideal, but can be ok) because blue tooth suck. this might sound nightmarish, and it sorta is, but, that is how far I'm willing to go to avoid the internet when I'm out and about.
I own an iPhone SE, it just sits at home in the charger, forwarding calls to my watch. My watches battery goes out late afternoon, where i get home and can charge it. I have replaced my computer with an iPad pro where i answer all my messages.
I also don't love the idea of yet another monthly fee.
You really can’t do much with just the watch. It gives a way for the patent to track them, and a way to communicate in both emergency and non-emergency situations.
They’re rather expensive and fragile for that purpose, but they’re often on sale through cellular providers as part of a bundle. That’s how my 14-year-old got hers. It’s the $300 version, and was free after rebate when I bought mine, as long as I pay the $5/month for the service. That’s cheaper than a basic GPS tracker, which is what she was asking for. I’m not totally comfortable with her being tracked, but it was her idea; I made sure she knew how to turn it off and made sure we were clear that she wouldn’t be in trouble or even under suspicion if she did. She usually keeps the GPS function off unless she’s at an event or something. That feels like a good compromise.
If nothing else, its high relative value could help teach a younger child responsibility. That’s very dependent on the child, though.
But I don't get the idea of an Apple Watch... I'm a small adult and even with the smallest straps standard Apple Watches are WAY too big for my wrists. How big are these kids?!?
Also... a full Apple Watch seems like an expensive option for kids who might be playing outside. My husband is an athlete and he's actually scratched his watch because it got dropped from waist height while he was getting changed. It's a small scratch, but still... he takes decent care of things, wouldn't a five year old wreck it?
I like the idea of kids having access to tech but an Apple Watch seems like overkill.
As you can tell, I'm not an ad person.
I am in some latent way, however, concerned with the idea of them wearing a cellular radio directly on their skin all day - I have for the most part avoided any of the EMF/4G/5G handwaving but would love an informed opinion from HN if there is any reason for concern / need to moderate or otherwise?
at 2.4 GHz, the wavelength is ~12.5 cm, which isn't going to do anything to anything protein-scale in your body.
Clinical evidence hasn't shown any association between negative health effects and EMF in that spectrum.
The preponderance of conspiracy theory around 5G says more about psychology than physiology.
Great for peace of mind, not great for building independence in my opinion.
The ability to track your kids at any time != "we're constantly tracking our kids". If this is a real concern for you, I think the real problem isn't the technology -- it's you.
Maybe you're right. I think always-connected wearable technology can hurt autonomy.
On one extreme, a strict parent could use this to obsessively track their kid, notify them when they should be home, and use their logged history for whatever reason. Maybe a kid dreads wearing the thing because of their parents.
On another extreme, a lax parent could not give a damn about their kid and just wants the peace of mind that they could if they wanted. Maybe a kid doesn't mind wearing it.
The introduction of wearable technology here adds similar challenges that smartphones do:
Do kids behave differently if they know they can be A) accessible at anytime B) located at anytime C) history logged at all times?
Does that cause them to make different decisions than they would otherwise with no technology? That is what I mean by losing autonomy at the cost of parental/kid peace of mind.
Trust between your kids is most important, but technology is a factor here too.
Do you mean generally once they’re school aged or while at school? I can’t see a reason a child at school would need to keep in touch with parents while at school. I don’t think I had to call home ever in 14 years of schooling.
- I won’t be able to pick you up today please take the bus instead
- don’t forget we’re going to Nan’s tonight so please come straight home
- it’s 5pm where are you?
- yes little Bobby Tables can come for dinner
- You left your hat at home, I’ll drop it off at morning recess
Setting up playdates are much easier and can happen much more often when the delay is not 24 hours.
But my point is more that for a long long time kids have been able to learn independence from family daily at school, in a very safe environment. There’s a lot to lose by availing them of the crutch of constant communication with and tracking by their family.
I regularly have phone watches left at our house by my children's friends and if you walk through the school after hours you'll occasionally find one lying on the floor (in amongst all the discarded clothes). They're too big for active children to want to keep on all day.
I can see why this would benefit some people, if their children have long solo commutes, and I'd trust Apple's privacy features more than most other phone watch manufacturers. But in general I'm more in favour of free-range children and not being able to track where my 9 year old is or have them message me every 10 minutes.
The same people who'd want to track their kid's every move with an absurdly expensive watch can also turn around and let that same kid commute solo?
My brains turnng to mush.
I want my kids to develop independenence, but also be able to find them in an emergency.
Can you share what type of emergency needs an Apple watch to circumvent?
Are you not washing your kids' underoos?
We want to be able to track their every move, not do it constantly.
And by the way, they can track our every move, too, thanks to Family Sharing and that's how we (well, I) like it.
> At an event on Wednesday, it is set to release a new version of the Apple Watch that is cheaper than the Apple Watch SE, the two people said.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/09/apple-extends-the-app...
At least here in Europe you can't see that young kids with any watch, it's extremely rare to see kid with those huge bulky watch with GPS even I wouldn't put on my hand (anything thicker than 10mm is crazy), they look literally like they are in home prison.
First piece of electronics my kids will be wearing will be most likely Casio F91W, they already have cheap Chinese clones.
Father of two kids
There are a few things I'd definitely like to change or tweak[0] but overall I'm surprised how it's become a normal part of my life.
[0] here are the top-of-the head things
- message notifications seem to behave like the device has extremely low resources, so messages (FB messenger) longer than something like 140 chars are truncated and I have to read them on my phone
- when you click a notification that someone sent a picture (through, say, FB messenger) it'll show a full screen image of the person who sent the picture ... not of the actual picture
- syncing up with a friend over walkie talkie or fitness is extremely flakey. I connected with 2 friends for the fitness, and never managed to get the walkie talkie working no matter how much troubleshooting I did
- if i'm listening to music from my watch on my airpods (another bit of kit i hated the idea of but have grown to tolerate) on a run while leaving my phone at home, the music will suddenly cut out from the watch when I return and get in range of my iphone
- as a dev I'd like to fiddle more with it and create watch faces, but as it stands you can only create complications for existing faces
- I have no idea how Apple calculate their VO2 max estimation. It seems utterly random, I've seen mine shoot up during periods when I've been inactive, and I've seen triathlete friends report that they're "below-average" fitness. I feel like I could hand my watch over to an Olympic athlete for a competition and it’d still report mine as 49.6 afterwards
That didn't last long.
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