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Explain how the COVID vaccine which does not 1) Prevent becoming infected with COVID, 2) Does not prevent spreading COVID to others, 3) Does not prevent COVID symptoms is a vaccine again? Also using the CDC definition that was specifically changed because the COVID vaccine didn't meet the definition of vaccine doesn't count.

Additionally how about we don't just jump to lumping huge numbers of people into out groups to feel better about ourselves and create divisiveness? Or go to Reddit where you can cheer on people dying.

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Vaccines have never been expected to have 100% efficacy except by the under-informed. Just off the top of my head I can list typhoid, dengue and malaria as diseases that have vaccines with fairly low efficacy rates.

I have no medical expertise but I do know that overwhelmingly those who do have expertise took the “vaccine” and the booster shots. It does not matter to me what word you use to denote the COVID vaccine. I do hope anti-vaxers become rare. They are a menace and are incredibly selfish and self-centered.

Do you think the vaccine lowers the probability that a person will die from an infection?

That is not a vaccine. No one calls corticosteroids or antibiotics vaccines yet both meet the definition of lowering the probability someone will dies from an infection. So does taking care of yourself, getting exercise, eating a healthy diet, not sitting still all day, and a large swath of other things none of which are called vaccines.

My google medical degree defines a vaccine as:

"a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."

Steriods and antibodies don't meet this definition. No vaccine has a 100% success rate, so reducing symptoms doesn't make it not a vaccine.

Is there a recent randomized controlled trial covering the period where recent strains were dominant which I could reference in order to get an idea?

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