Do you think you would get his 11-12 million listeners to agree with you on what society should expect? Who gets to decide that?
> then surely there's nothing wrong with having Nazis or mass murderers given airtime.
You invoked Godwin's law twice. What sort of argument are you going to win by invoking Nazis and worst case scenarios? Surely the slipper slope fallacy applies here?
I'm not sure why you presume that "we, as society, should expect better" means "this applies only to Joe Rogan listeners and we need to convince them." It's a general stance on how society ought to operate, and the use of "ought" is in the "how ought one live?" question raised by ethics.
We get to decide that as society. This isn't a new concept. Society would not have advanced to a point that we were capable of having this conversation at all if "we" had not already agreed on basic principles, such as "you should not steal", and "you should not murder", and "be generally honest in your dealings with others if you want to keep your reputation". These are all inherent rules of society which you implicitly follow in order to be part of it.
Holding public figures who have a louder voice to a standard of behavior which does not actively undermine society by giving credence to disinformation isn't some horrible leap or infringement upon your freedom. It's avoiding the Gracchi.
> You invoked Godwin's law twice.
Mentioning Nazis isn't Godwin's Law. Feel free to substitute some other bogeyman who you feel giving an unfiltered platform to would deteriorate society.
> What sort of argument are you going to win by invoking Nazis and worst case scenarios? Surely the slipper slope fallacy applies here?
No, it doesn't. Honestly, I'm getting the sense that you've never engaged in any kind of philosophical discourse before, which this is sort of veering into, and throwing out the names of fallacies doesn't mean they apply.
The point is, as I said in my last post, a reductio ad absurdum. It is constructing a contrapositive. It is saying "if we follow your reasoning to its logical conclusion, this is where it leads; verify whether that's true or false, less black and white."
And it was false/shades of grey. Clearly there is some level at which even ardent JRE listeners believe giving people a platform is harmful. So the question is "what are the guidelines for when something is too much?"
My position is, as repeatedly restated, that those with a greater platform have a duty to not do harm to society by allowing crackpots to talk without being challenged, whether that's denying climate change, believing lizard people run the government, believing we are secretly in contact with aliens, taking veterinary antiparasitics on the advice of one person rather than the guidance of literally every medical organization on Earth, etc.
It has no been made clear anywhere what the position of Joe Rogan defenders is other than "he's just a comedian; you shouldn't take him seriously; people can think for themselves; he doesn't have any obligation to question them". But again, it's apparent that having Nazis or murderers on with an unfiltered platform would cross some line. So where is that line? Where are Joe Rogan defenders drawing the line of what is "too much" to air? What is the basis for drawing it there and not somewhere else?
"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."
-President Joe Biden, 2021
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccina...
Comedians don't qualify as "public figures" in that context. I'm not a Joe Rogan defender and don't particularly care about him one way or another, but you're obviously just making things up and trying to gaslight us. Let us know when you have a valid point to make instead of resorting to inflammatory comments about imaginary Nazis.
As for a "line", how about this. Comedians can say whatever asinine shit they like and the rest of us are free to laugh or ignore them as we please. There are no lines in comedy. Grow up.
Isn't this a "court jester" interpretation of comedy? The comedian debases themselves on all issues so thoroughly that it creates a convenient bi-directional fiction: I can ignore things that bother me, because they are just the ramblings of a clown. And so they can say whatever they want, with no requirement that it make sense (because there is no "low" they won't sink beneath).