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When our ships sail near their lands it "freedom of navigation", when their's do it near us it's "provocative" ["proactive"]...

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In both cases it is exercise of the freedom of navigation and it's provocative.

Do you bite your thumb at us ? / I do bite my thumb / Do you bite your thumb at us sir ?

The US Navy sailed guided missle cruisers along and just outside Chinese waters Sunday. The headline in that case neglected to proffer that they were "heavily armed", I guess the objective news only mentions that if they're Russian ships, not peace-seeking ships from the west.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-navy-vessels-aircraf...

The nuance and significance might be that Russia is actively seizing another sovereign nation's territory, whereas the US is not.

And, since they were mentioned, China/CCP really really wants to seize Taiwan.

Technically the US supports the one China policy. It is assumed WW3 starts if that ever changes.

Is China really going to nuke the US because the US says that it officially no longer supports the one China policy?

Sure, they bluster. But that would be really stupid. "You said something I don't like, so I'm going to kill us both" level of stupid. China talks tough, but I don't think they're actually that stupid.

> Technically the US supports the one China policy. It is assumed WW3 starts if that ever changes.

The US walks a line on Taiwan that falls far short of actual support for One China but does enough to support it that the US has a lot of room to escalate with China if the US wants to without starting WW3.

I guess it's convenient for your argument that the US is taking a short break from invading other sovereign nations.

The US is actively seizing another sovereign nation's territory, it is seizing Guantanamo in Cuba, which Cuba has requested the US leave for decades.

This is false. The U.S. leases Guantanamo Bay. It evens sends payment by check regularly, though only one has been cashed in Fidel Castro's time "by accident."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guant%C3%A1namo_Bay

It doesn’t matter they pretend to pay if the rightful owners want them out.

Are you aware of Taiwan's diplomatic status?

It's a real cluster fuck.

If you strip out all nuance, everything looks the same. They have a military, we have a military. They have courts, so do we. They sail ships through (uncontested) waters, we sail ships through (contested) waters. It's all the same.

ITYM "provocative"

Yes :)

The article says proactive, too. It may have primed you to make the same error.

I don't think it is an error. The Russian fleet is deploying ships to a strategic location. That is proactive if they expect a war with NATO. Though it is definitely also provocative.

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