I don’t know how Rust, which is quite a cool language, attracted this sizable bloc of aggressively intermediate jihadis, but it’s really worrying because Rust is in fact innovative and important, but epic languages have crashed and burned over less.
And then you’re going to act like you’re the self appointed arbiter of discourse on HN, saying that this kind of article is ok but that kind isn’t? Maybe a person who calls those they disagree with jihadis isn’t qualified to police what others say.
Let’s talk about the way you talk. Here’s you from 5 days ago accusing a good tool of being a “dumpster fire” and saying “it crashes process IDs more often than Justin Bieber crashes Maseratis”. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32581005). But it gets worse, because later you start crying about being downvoted.
At this point it looks like a speed run of how many HN rules you can break. And then you follow that up with tone policing others.
- Why Not Rust? (https://matklad.github.io/2020/09/20/why-not-rust.html)
- A Rust match made in hell (https://fasterthanli.me/articles/a-rust-match-made-in-hell)
Compare these with the superficial criticism that benreesman was making. He couldn’t even link to the proper issue, a fact he realised 10 hours later. Even had he linked to the right issue, he has no idea what he’s talking about. He says he had some issue with the language server and then simultaneously mentions LLVM? rust-analyser doesn’t import LLVM because it doesn’t need to generate machine code. You think when such poor feedback gets pushback it means people aren’t listening. No, it’s just poor feedback. If you want high quality criticism of Rust, read the articles I linked. Rust has many shortcomings and these folks discuss it in detail.
> no other language has a rewrite it in rust meme.
Your account is a year old. I’ve been here almost 10. I remember when everyone was excited about Go and wanted to rewrite everything in Go. And before Go it was Python. A couple of years from now they’ll be rewriting everything in Carbon.
This is normal when things are new and people are still discovering it. Most of the folks you’re encountering are excited by Rust … and that’s ok. It’s not a bad thing to be excited or share that with others. If that reduces your quality of life, I apologise. But they meant no harm.
> No other language
Firstly, no language does anything. And secondly, you’re making sweeping generalisations of a large community based on a couple of incidents. I don’t know there’s anything I can say, other than I haven’t seen it in years. No one thinks it’s a good idea to attack anyone, and moderators are usually quick to nip any anti-social behaviour in the bud.
Lastly, anyone with a lick of Rust experience knows that unsafe is useful and widely used. You can’t implement std::Vec without it, for instance.
None of those languages had as many rewrites as rust (which is a testament to how good the language actually is) nor did they have the same eventually obnoxious meme.
And yes, I am making sweeping generalizations about the community based on a couple of incidents. Incidents that have never happened in any other language communities I've participated in. Didn't official rust moderation team essentially quit relaticely recently because some business with the core team? I don't really care about the details. Rust is too smart for me, but I like using it anyway. I'm happy to stay separate from the community around it though.