Pretty odd that it's forced to display such a sign, after all, they arent free. Who pays for them?
Whether it's the state or school, it'd be pretty expensive.
Whether it's the state or school, it'd be pretty expensive.
It’s a stupid law, but at least it doesn’t waste the schools money.
It still wastes school money.
Who installs the sign?
Who cleans it? Who prevents it from being defaced?
And where do their salaries come from?
You are correct that it's a small amount, but it's still a cost to the school.
If it doesn't benefit the school then it's a waste of the school's money.
Also, most school boosterism/Officer-friendly type posters aren't framed, while this law requires the school to put up a framed poster if that's what someone donates. I wonder what the school will do if it's framed in glass.
It's not going to cost them money unless they're actually going to spend more, and they won't. Putting up one poster instead of another isn't spending more, preventing vandalism you're already preventing isn't spending more, etc.
Yes, while putting up a poster on a blank wall is spending more.
Replacing a poster + tape with a framed poster + fasteners is also spending more.
My point is vineyardmike only looked at acquisition cost, not TCO.
I don't see how you can be so sure there is only cost substitution, and that there is no additional cost.
We even read that Chaz Stevens raised $14K to distribute Arabic versions of the sign to schools. Someone in each school needs to receive the sign and decide to toss it.
That's a additional cost which wasn't there before.
Again, agreed - it's small. But I don't agree with your assessment that it's zero.
Because that's how the world works. Schools spend money to have capability to to miscellaneous tasks, things like putting up random posters. Adding one more tiny task, realistically, isn't going to cause them to spend more money, by any reasonable definition. At worst it will bump out a lower priority task (of probably dubious value), but it's just as likely someone will just spend a little less slack time staring at their phone.
tl;dr: it won't cost more, because they're already going to spend the money, one way or another.
> We even read that Chaz Stevens raised $14K to distribute Arabic versions of the sign to schools.
Which is money the school isn't spending. IIRC, the whole point of the thread required the posters be paid for with private funds.
> Someone in each school needs to receive the sign and decide to toss it.
> That's a additional cost which wasn't there before.
That person has always been there, getting paid to handle random stuff like this: there's no additional cost, it was always there.
[edit - This comment is currently at -2, less than 10 minutes after posting it. HN, you're changing, and not for the better...]
[edit #2 - I don't think this has been a very good thread at all.]
Wow, really? Can I ask what country? In my state it's illegal for the leader of a school to neglect or refuse to display the flag:
https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3313.80
...maybe this is a US thing?
From the outside it looks like Americans value the flag more than they value other Americans, in the uk we value brits more than we value the British flag as the flag is just a representation of the people.
Are you sure? I've done a little bit of spot checking on Google Maps, and I find that national flags are clearly visible outside public schools in:
Canada Mexico Poland South Africa
...all have flags with flagpoles outside public elementary schools.
Sorry, I don't know how many countries exist but that's a pretty tiny percentage
[0] https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@43.8835313,-79.4254555,3a,75y...
The day begins with "Good morning" - "Good morning Ms/Mr X".
And being a secular country there is no prayer in school either (however there is religion as a school subject if you are a member of one of the major churches (+ sometimes Islam is offered as well)) or ethics if you are not.
It's almost like other countries could learn from that history of extreme nationalism. The US especially
How many people alive today truly remember what it was like during WW2?
I would argue that Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union is actually what did them in, not the US invasion
What about the comments by no less than Admiral Zhukov himself acknowledging that in his view, the USSR couldn't have defeated Germany without US assistance?
But this is all beside the point of extreme nationalism being a bad thing
Americans get a lot of flak for assuming the world looks like their backyard, but maybe this is a case of the reverse?
We do not display the French flag in schools (for no particular reason, except that you would need someone to take care of that), you would find Forbes on official buildings.
Because it’s a religious motto. It’s not just the national motto.
AND as mentioned by another comment, the specific law in question was explicitly created to push Christianity onto school kids, according to the creators.
And pushing religion on someone in school is against americas stated ideals.
There are other countries to compare yourself with, no need to pick China and Iran.
Very few countries have these types of laws, and it would be straight up unconstitutional in many western democracies.