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Let's be clear: Kiwi Farms is a ball of hate just like the Daily Stormer is. But the reason CF hasn't dropped them is none of the site operators will make the claim Cloudflare are open supporters of Kiwi Farms, while DS's editor decided to be cocky and make these claims. Kiwi Farms operators can always distance itself from members calling for violence and ban the accounts when it gets out of hand, just as Reddit has done in the past.

Cloudflare CEO's own words: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/

In short: Just claim Cloudflare are big Kiwi Farms supporters as many places you go. Eventually Matthew's ego will get bruised enough and the site will get taken down in another arbitrary manner.

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> But the reason CF hasn't dropped them is none of the site operators will make the claim Cloudflare are open supporters of Kiwi Farms, while DS's editor decided to be cocky and make these claims.

Er, I don't think that's it:

> Now I can make an argument to say that we kicked them off because they they had alleged that we were supporters of theirs, or that they had harassed people who are submitting abuse complaints or lots of those things, but I think that’s a little bit hand-waving. If they had been a blog about shoes online, we would have cut them a lot more slack than we did. And if that’s the case, then that means that our feeling toward their content influenced our decision: which is the opposite of being neutral. I think that they are the exception that that shows why it’s so important to have to have rules.

- https://www.geekwire.com/2017/interview-cloudflares-ceo-stil...

If the CEO of Cloudflare thinks it's "little bit hand-waving" to say that claims of support were the reason they were dropped, I'm willing to say that's probably not it.

>"Kiwi Farms is a ball of hate just like the Daily Stormer is"

Do you have anything to back that up? KF isn't even a political site.

>"Just claim Cloudflare are big Kiwi Farms supporters"

Which would be an outright lie and easily disproven.

Go there and look. Make up your own mind.

To be clear, i was focusing mostly on the "just like the Daily Stormer" part. A literal neo-nazi site.

So one site publishes articles from a political (white nationalist) standpoint, the other hosts published dossiers on individuals that have ideologies site users either hate or behavior they think is funny. Point is, they both post shit about people and things they hate or want to ridicule. Do you dispute this?

> Kiwi Farms is a ball of hate just like the Daily Stormer is.

That's some prime wordsmithing. Read it one way and it's debatably true or at least truthy. Read it another way and it's false. Confuse the two and the reader is now misinformed. Impressive rhetorical mischief.

> "hate or want to ridicule"

Is that one verb or two? Because the ridicule part is objectively true. But the hate part requires a) mind reading, and b) assuming that the feelings of a community of hundreds of people are all the same.

But you can't just say 'ridicule'. You need the 'hate' part to make your point. Hence: "hate or ridicule". As if it's all the same either way. Hate, ridicule, what's the difference? Humor, violence, what does it matter? Humor is hate, funny is violence.

> Do you have anything to back that up? KF isn't even a political site.

I won't link to them, but here are some random threads easily obtained by Googling:

- "Is being a Nazi really that bad?" (Full of comments saying that, no, it isn't that bad, and in fact LGTB people are worse).

- "White Supremacy Megathread" (Thread where every single comment is a full-on racist screech).

- "Why do Kiwi Farms users so racist against blacks?" (Where every single comment tries to justify the racism of the site).

Just to be clear: I don't expect to convince you, because you're clearly lying constantly about the nature of the site in all your comments to defend it. I just want to provide some actual, real context for your lies.

>Full of comments saying that, no, it isn't that bad, and in fact LGTB people are worse

One person giving off a list of things they think are worse who included "LGBTQ advocates" does not mean that the comment section is full of it. The thread was about the people and not the ideology.

>Thread where every single comment is a full-on racist screech

It was a 2 page shitpost thread full of everyone shitposting.

>Where every single comment tries to justify the racism of the site

This isn't true either and it was another shitpost.

>I don't expect to convince you

The approach of an outsider cherry picking threads from someone's community and then generalizing the whole community based those threads isn't effective because they know the picture you are painting of their community doesn't match what it's like to them.

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