Let’s Not Have a Beer
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I'm pretty sure I've never experienced this, maybe this person just had a set of coworkers with very specific hobbies. The topics that come up the most in my experience are sports related, which I can't relate to at all, so I just sit back and enjoy my beer.
> Imagine going to a meetup or work event where everyone is smoking weed and they’re discussing how to grow good quality cannabis.
The last drupal meetup I went to had exactly this. I'm not at all interested in growing weed but it was still an interesting discussion.
Aside: In fact, with coworkers I definitely did not drink whatsoever, even when I resumed drinking generally with friends, because I don't know what I might inadvertently blurt out, which might happen with even a couple drinks.
The author isn't talking about going out with friends, he's talking about work events that are centered around alcohol.
Hydrating, cheap, and tasty. When I'm someplace that doesn't have decent beer on tap (my preferred beverage), that's my go-to. I enjoy the idea that I'm paying ~$5 for a whole night of sparkling limes while others spend many multiples that on a night of crappy mixers.
Re social drinking, never felt any peer pressure, not now, not before. "The field where I grow my f*cks is barren". Don't care what others think about it.
The solution is not to sand all public life down to a smooth and seamless sameness. It is to treat each other respectfully, even if you are an -er hanging around are nots.
Sorry to this person for a few moments of feeling left out. We all have those moments, some more than others.
Bars are great: you get a small table for your conversation; being a little loud and bawdy is fine (no kids); it's a casual drop-in-drop-out atmosphere where the bill is already split. Where do you get that kind of atmosphere other than a bar? Genuinely asking, I'd love to have another social option.
And I still I have no idea what most people would find acceptable instead of going to a bar.
All of the alternatives I can think of involve inviting people who are almost strangers into your house (or going to theirs) before you get to know them. This obviously causes some tense situations sometimes.
It's hard to find a sport that everyone wants to do (or can do), but you could try minigolf or pickle ball and see who wants to do it.
Online movie night has been a big hit with our friends group, and I could see it working for a group of coworkers, too. Teleparty is a pretty easy Chrome plugin, but everyone needs to have the same streaming service like Netflix or Disney+. I vaguely remember someone at work trying to stream a video to the group over Meet, but it went poorly because of lag and lost frames and generally bad audio.
1) I have the same background noise issue as the sibling comment. I can't have a conversation in a bar. Coffee shops are usually much more quiet, brightly lit, designed for sitting in and working/talking quietly.
2) It sucks to be the only sober person in a group. Caffeine doesn't have the same effect.
3) Bars are pretty hit or miss on if they have any non-alcaholic options (lemon juice concentrate + water doesn't count). Most coffee shops have great non-caffeinated options (horchatas, juices, smoothies/milkshakes, ciders, tisanes)
Wafflehouse: wheat intolerant
Milkshake bar: milk/lactose intolerant
Plain water bar: I don't drink plain water /s
Wafflehouse: unless you have a severe wheat allergy, in which case you also can't go to a pizza restaurant, you can still find something to eat.
Milkshake bar: Non-dairy milks exist. The milkshake bars near me offer options.
Finally, as someone mentioned in another comment, just eating doesn't have the same effect as drinking. Going to a bar and having a drink makes people drunk, or at least tipsy. The non-drinker is clearly the odd one out. Going out to eat, everyone gets feds.
If you're at a bar and you don't want to drink, the bar absolutely wants to help you accomplish your mission. No bar owner wants an alcoholic to relapse in their bar, nor do they want designated drivers getting into fender benders in their parking lot. They'll happily give you a drink that looks alcoholic to help you ward off the peer pressure.
You’re welcome.
No, my reaction after this is "Why didn't you just gift it to some friend who drinks beer?".
I guess this generic joke applies:
How do you know somebody doesn't drink alcohol? Because he told you so.
> The server (who was a little amused by my request) had to think about what they had that wasn’t alcohol but was gracious enough to bring me a pineapple juice.
If they had pineapple juice then I'd assume they had plenty of non-alcoholic options and the thinking was more about mentally composing a list of those instead of serving simply "beer". Some beer drinker will be more specific and ask for a Lager but that's what you get anyway if you ask for a beer.
> But somehow, the topic of alcohol seems to overpower all other topics in networking socials.
I'm guilty of that myself. I really like to explain to people who think malt is a type of grain how beer is brewed and ask about their favorite aqua vitae. At the moment, though, I am reducing my alcohol consumption.
Generally I share and agree with his view point. Have also been wondering about it.
Others said enough about prizes.
I respect my guests. Being vegetarian myself, I am trying to know in advance my guests' preferences -- and they are weird sometimes (no garlic, or no mustard, or you name it). But I am far from waging war on meat-eating: in fact I would go with friends to steak house without second consideration.
Inclusivity is a willingness to accommodate. It is respect to people preferences, regardless of small or big group they are. It is respect to event organizers: it would be nearly impossible to find venue. (I know vegans, and I know people who'd reject anything but meat -- any suggestion for a dinner place?) (In many events my lunch is "whatever you have vegetarian", and I have a backup protein bars -- but I consider it as my problem, not organizers'. They are busy, and I am grateful to them.)
I have no issue with people drinking around me and will happily go to a bar and order a virgin mixed drink, but when major team-building activities revolve around drug consumption, it starts to become a bigger issue. Not to mention the fact that alcohol lowers inhibitions and makes people do really stupid things -- like make inappropriate jokes or much worse.
i don't want to be friends with people if their ability to develop friendship depends on alcohol. actually, i find it deceptive. i want to be friends with the real person. not the drunk person. it's dishonest. it's telling me that this person doesn't actually like me, and it's only the alcohol that makes them friendly. for an introvert who already has difficulty trusting people and making friends, this makes it worse, because it's a friendship that can't be trusted.
as for alternatives for team building. there are plenty of activities that are welcoming. board games for example. popular in europe. good for introverts too because you can focus on the game and you are not forced participate in random discussion topics that you can't contribute to. among tech people a fun-hackathon. otherwise food always works. picnic or bbq was always popular when it happened at tech conferences.
"depending on alcohol for team building sounds like the worst idea ever."
I assume that this was intended as hyperbole, but your argument would be much more persuasive if you fairly described the idea you're opposed to, along with its benefits, then describe why your solution, while having its own issues, is superior. Capitalization wouldn't hurt either.
Boring, disliked - that's beer for a great many of us.
I'm not saying that beer is the best tool for team-building, I'm just saying it has benefits, and just like every other alternative, trade-offs.
"depending on alcohol for team building sounds like the worst idea ever.
i don't want to be friends with people if their ability to develop friendship depends on alcohol. actually, i find it deceptive. i want to be friends with the real person. not the drunk person. it's dishonest. it's telling me that this person doesn't actually like me, and it's only the alcohol that makes them friendly. for an introvert who already has difficulty trusting people and making friends, this makes it worse, because it's a friendship that can't be trusted."
People aren't "depending" on alcohol, they're using it. Getting wasted is not a requirement of drinking alcohol. Alcohol reduces inhibitions. In small amounts it's enough to make a person feel less like they're going to sound stupid if they try to talk to new people. It's not deceptive any more than not opening up to others because you're anxious is "deceptive".
You are not better than other people because you don't drink.
i have a problem if someone claims that they can't talk to me or they can't enjoy our time together unless they had a drink.
the possible reasons why you can't talk to me makes me uncomfortable.
Alcohol reduces inhibitions. In small amounts it's enough to make a person feel less like they're going to sound stupid if they try to talk to new people.
yes, and that seriously bothers me. do you think that i don't feel uncomfortable talking to new people?
this creates an imbalance. now you are comfortable because you had a drink, and i am still not because i won't or can't. that doesn't work. now you are no longer able to sense my discomfort because you don't sense your own.
if we are both equally uncomfortable we could find a way to deal with that. instead i have to face your uninhibited self and feel like i want to run away.
some people are naturally less inhibited. that can be difficult, but if they are perceptive and considerate it can work out. i fear that alcohol also makes you less perceptive, so that is unlikely to work.
Drinking something/taking a drug at an event doesn't make the entire event revolve around that. Just because an event takes place at a brewery doesn't mean that non-brewery-related discussion is not allowed. The same can be said about literally any personal preference you have.
Do you talk about the coffee station at work in similar fashion? Do you talk about how the work place provides you with stimulant drugs in order to boost your productivity?
Caveat - I have no issue with someone drinking alcohol, coffee or whatever, but caffeine certainly has many drug-like addictive aspects to it.
My addiction is vending machine candy. I might put it on par with coffee. :)
On the other hand, I smoke a lot of weed and I play video games. I also go to festivals, enjoy gardening, casually ride my bike long~ish distances, and brew my own Kombucha.
I asked myself how would I respond in the authors shoes if someone offered me some booze or food-oriented gift. After all, these are pretty safe bets to hand out at parties. I would accept it and either regift it or repurpose it. A beer dispenser sounds like a great Kombucha dispenser. A fancy home meal kit sounds like the perfect gift for my mom, sister, or brothers.
My interests are fairly niche, there are probably few prizes that could be offered in large gatherings that would fit those interests and still be appropriate.
My enjoyment of things is never going to include everyone. There just isn't a lowest common denominator. Diversity in work and in life is all about recognizing that people are indeed different and treating that as something to strive for, not to avoid with words like "inclusivity". Diversity means that nothing includes everyone. People should feel free to opt out without trying to get everyone else to as well.
The term for forced participation is "team-building."
I get that for some people, alcohol is such a problem that even proximity to it or related venues is a nontrivial issue. I'm not sure that or similar instances of an individual aversion to a broadly prevalent thing in society should require the topic of aversion to be banned or significantly hindered in work or the broader world.
Making sure that there are nonalcoholic options at events is a good idea and usually done. Making sure that there are a variety of events and not just events at bars (or whatever) is also a good idea and usually done. Trying to make it so that you're never the one to get a diminished experience because an aspect of an event isn't very compatible with your interests or needs is unreasonable.
Why didn't the author just take the "beer dispenser" and use it to dispense something else? The pipes, tubes, mechanisms don't only work for beer. Or just sell it or donate it if it bothered him that much.
...freudian typo...
Other alternatives would be movies or shows you might not watch, books you haven't read, coffee but you don't drink coffee, BBQ but you are vegan, etc...
At least that's a variety of different topics. "But somehow, the topic of alcohol seems to overpower all other topics in networking socials."
Agree that tech is a shared interest, but I talk and think about code during all work day. Don't wanna bond over that also when I have something else to talk about
Where was this? As much as I'd love to discuss brewing techniques with my colleagues in tech, most don't have the slightest interest in it (most people who drink, don't), and I'm very surprised it was the dominant topic of conversation at a conference—to the point where I'm nearly convinced it never happened or the author is highly exaggerating the matter.
In either case, you’ll get weird questions and you might feel left out.
My group has a very strong drinking culture and I don’t drink and don’t eat animal products. I’m always in situations where I have to explain why I’m not eating or drinking to our customers, but my coworkers and our customers are adults and don’t make it weird.
Following your example, their experience would be akin of having a lunch event at a work event were they only had pork for eating when chances are that in the group there are probably some vegans/vegetarians or people that due to religious belief abstain from eating it. The argument is not that you shouldn't have pork. Is that you should also have some more options.
I mean, if that's his point then ok. But I doubt that he is having difficulty finding water or coke on these events.
If it's a beer and wine social, because they don't want to deal with mixing anything, I do think it's an oversight on their part to not at least have some kind of soda options.
Perhaps we need to be more accepting, individually, of the joys of others which we do not share. Even if you don't drink yeast are easy, fun, and rewarding pets: perhaps the brewers' discussions need more microbiology geekery.
Why? Is this really necessary? Everybody has gotten a gift or prize that they wouldn't use or didn't really care for. You can gift it to someone else.
However, there are definitely things that those in the majority can do to make the minority feel included. When I was a new grad student my advisor made it very clear that I wouldn't be pressured to drink at social events and I was grateful for his thoughtfulness. And he was true to his word. I still had to say "no thank you", but I felt safe doing so, and I still felt included.
That said, I think it’s mostly fine that lots of people like drink, although many people obviously don’t handle it well. So I also understand why people think it isn’t great for society. I think the most compelling point is that alcoholism exists, and we probably shouldn’t make the default social environment one which revolves around alcohol.
Germany, Belgium, France and the UK all have great craft breweries making beer without alcohol. They are out there and fun to discover.
Alternatives all require more planning, and usually higher expense, and often result in people who are comfortable in bars opting out. You might rent some bowling lanes and provide food, but that's usually more expensive than a bar, and there will definitely be some people who won't bowl.
Other activities in the same category as bowling, like escape rooms and the like, all seem "forced" in that they require people to do things they probably don't normally do. This is in addition to the expense and planning necessary.
Possibly the most natural event of all is a meal, since everybody eats. Assuming you find a restaurant that accommodates varying dietary requirements, you probably need to make reservations and possibly spend more than you would at a bar, but it's still probably the best option. Except... everybody will be sitting down rather than mingling, so it's a different sort of event then.
I'm not saying a bar is the best option. I'm saying it's the easiest option, which is why so many companies go back to it again and again.
From a biochemical perspective, alcohol is one of the more damaging drugs with long-term health consequences for heavy users, certainly on at least the same risk level as opiates, cocaine, (meth)amphetamines, benzodiazepines, cannabis, mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, nictotine, etc. Behavioral consequences of use and abuse are not much different (think of how many people are killed by drunk drivers).
The underlying issue here probably isn't infrequent use, it's people who grow so accustomed to their substance of choice that they can't do anything or attend any event without it. Smokers deprived of their nicotine can't sit still or interact with other people, alcoholics deprived of their daily drink go into fits, opiate addicts start climbing the walls, etc. If these are the people designing social gatherings, you can be sure they're going to set them up so that their substance of choice is the center of the activity. If they get upset that others aren't imbibing with them, they're just looking for social support of their rather unhealthy behavior.
For many of us, however, a 'work-related social event' is the last thing we'd want to do with our free time - it's time on the clock, representing the company, and might very well go into our performance review in some way.
Nah sorry, never pressured anyone to drink, and if they don't good for them.
> Most folks don’t understand the effect of peer pressure on those who don’t drink or are in an early stage of recovery from alcohol problems.
I think the 'early stage of recovery from alcohol problems' concern is valid, and is not at all on the same level as a person who is disinterested in sportsball having to nod through a conversation about sports.
But I also think his post brings out some questions that people should be thinking about with such events: are you making choices which will make your event less successful at achieving your goals? The people planning a network event almost certainly didn't want the author to feel alienated and excluded at a _networking_ event. If a person that helps close a big deal doesn't drink, perhaps opening a bottle of champagne to celebrate doesn't actually make them feel seen, valued and appreciated.
For me, in the southeast USA, it's football. It's the primary topic for a lot of people in most social settings for 1/3rd of every single year. I don't know anything about it and don't care, so I just have to leave those conversations. It's unfortunate, but it's how it is.
Alcohol is even harder, because the vast majority of places set up for casual socialization are focused on food and drink. Even if you have events at a park, rock climbing gym, or art studio, the people who like alcohol are going to want to have drinks available, and if you don't have drinks available fewer people are likely to come.
Not drinking is an incredibly healthy choice that I respect people for making. But you are in the minority in a lot of places, and being in the minority means still having to interact with the majority, who is going to want to partake and discuss their mutual interests.
I don't know where this person has worked or studied but it's not something I've ever come across working in the Bay Area or any other tech hub I've worked in.
> Imagine going to a meetup or work event where everyone is smoking weed and they’re discussing how to grow good quality cannabis.
I would be 100% okay with this, I wouldn't partake in the weed, I'd probably just have a beer and talk to the people anyway. I don't know much about weed, but whatever, I'll take it as an opportunity to learn something about a topic I don't know much about and have a conversation.
This just seems like an example of the difference in attitude you can have when you try to adapt yourself to your environment vs expecting your environment to adapt itself to you.
It's never really posed a huge problem for me to tag along and drink something non-alcoholic though, and it gives me (an introvert) and excuse to skip out on some more drinking-centric social events (where people are just going to get hammered) that I'd prefer to avoid.
People love alcohol and I don't expect this aspect of culture to shift anytime soon nor would I push for it to. If I miss out on some social climbing outcome, so be it.
I don't have a strong opinion about whether alcohol should be an ordinary part of business or not. Seems reasonable either way. But anything interesting can make some people uncomfortable, so let's not eliminate it all.
You didn't have to give it back, you could have gifted /converted it to money by putting it up on a marketplace.
> Let’s start with a beer dispenser as a prize. To be fair to the organizers (who hosted an awesome conference), all but this gift were regular ones,
Organizers don't always choose what's going to be in raffles, some of the prizes are offered by sponsors.
> and by pure coincidence, the only alcohol-related prize was won by the person who doesn’t drink.
That's how raffles work bro, if the organizers know who will win what when , there is a major problem (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17638677). However, if coincidence is on your side you'll end up with the car of your dreams when your beater dies. The only way not to be disappointed is to expect nothing out of it or just not participate.
Other than looking a gifted horse in the mouth, I wonder if the author enjoyed something at this conference and if he expected more than just the work related side. Personally I like the social side of events such as conferences where you can meet like minded folks who share common interests , yes the beer and drinks and etc as well. I don't judge when a small group goes out for a cigarette / vaping, even during work hours, & I respect people who don't partake. It doesn't mean not hanging around with them and not including them in activities.
when someone is traveling to a conference that's sometimes not practically possible. they may not have space in their luggage, or they may even come from a country where this thing can't easily be sold or given away because most locals don't drink beer
“Let's be clear, I will turn down a beer any day of the week!”
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Having worked in the tech industry, publishing, academia, and medicine, I'd like to offer a correction. The tech industry does not have an alcohol obsession. The United States has an alcohol obsession. Drinking was certainly pervasive in tech, but no more than anywhere else.
>Having an event in a bar or a pub is problematic in and of itself.
Likewise, there is simply a lack of public social gathering places, in American cities period, that are not bars. And I don't particularly like bowling.
>If one needs alcohol to have a good time, then there’s a bigger problem to deal with.
My hypothesis is that alcohol supports a rapid transition from work to relaxation, in much the same way that caffeine supports a rapid transition from sleep to work. Under "normal" conditions, the mind is more "sticky".
I can't speak for how it is in China, Taiwan, or other east Asian countries, but from what I've heard the drinking is more intense than it is in America.
In cultures that do not drink alcohol, we gather up around non-alcoholic drinks like tea (especially more involved brews like Karak or Kashmiri), and that in itself is relaxing, regardless of the caffeine content of the drink. It's mostly about the setting and atmosphere.
Time and time again, studies and anecdotes are showing the destructive power of alcohol on so many different levels, from individual health to society.
Another night, we were taken to dinner by a vendor rep. We had drinks before. We had drinks during. He left to go to a bar or club with another group and we stayed at the hotel we were at and had more drinks. And I mean "we" as a group had more drinks. I personally was only getting a drink every second or third round as I did not want to pass out.
And I have nothing against drinking. It's just something that doesn't occur to me to do very often. But it was every night with this event.
And finally the old stalwart: Ginger ale! If you don't put ice in it, it doesn't look much different from beer.
Separately, and forgot to mention earlier. If your social self-confidence is low, you may attach an outsize importance to your drinking a soft drink while everyone else is drinking beer or wine. It really doesn't matter that much, and people don't judge you for it as much as you think. Why are you not drinking beer? Because I don't like the taste/alcohol. Continue conversation, end of topic. Spoken from experience as a tend-to-be-outsider mostly-not-beer-drinker.
I actually just love it on a hot afternoon, great stuff, wish more places around here carried it.
In my experience in the Bay Area, this describes every single meetup.
I have seen things like this at work events in Canada
Let's not have a beer? I disagree let's have a beer. The post should have been about the alternatives he wants to have or do. Let's have coffee? Plenty of that happening.
If I won a "Day Package" or "Great seats for watch FOO", how about just being nice to someone and giving the prize away?
I'm sure you can find an unappreciated admin/receptionist/intern and really make their day and sure beats complaining about it.
Just like selecting a purse as a prize implies that everyone uses a purse? I think he is overthinking this. Just as I would give the purse to someone who can use it he can do the same with the beer dispenser.
Therefore - no more discussion of any hobbies at work or meetups!
I often ask for tea. It is not often good.
There will never be a drastic change in this culture. Majority of people don't want this change. We'll just need to be more mindful of others in the future.
One place I worked at did champagne for birthdays and major celebrations. All outings after work were at a bar.
Another place I was at was basically a frat house. Lots of young folks fresh out of college and drinking was practically expected. Interviews took place at bars in the early days. Owner used to come by my desk on a Friday afternoon with a bottle of wine, pour me a glass and tell me to stop working and have a drink.
Staff parties were drinking fueled raves. Socializing and other official events were centered around drinking. It was even a selling point of working for the place that the fridge was always stocked with alcohol. Some people kept a special bottle of whisky in their desk.
I'm no prude...I enjoy the occasional drink of all varieties. One glass (max two) of <insert alcoholic beverage here> and I'm good.
But the drinking culture screams at you that you should drink all the time, drink more and be happy to have a chance to drink. It screams that you should care about brewing processes and types of alcohol.
It's not a problem just in tech, but tech workforces revel in it. I can't say that if I didn't drink it wouldn't stop my advancing through career ladders, being a "good drinking buddy" did play a non zero role into the speed of advancement and size of bonuses in some form when I directly compared my trajectory to others who didn't take part in the drinking sessions.
It's also not just a work problem...humanity as a whole defaults to drinking. I was part of it through my college years and the first few years of working in tech. I started backing away from drinking as much and going to fewer bar outings for my own personal fitness reasons, and I felt the pressure "what you're leaving already? You're not going to have another? Drink faster".
For all of you who say you've never pressured anyone about it, haven't seen it, or don't feel it, there are 10 more people who do the exact opposite. No one held me down and forced me to drink, and no one applied more pressure that I couldn't gracefully handle as someone secure in themselves and their choices can do, but there is a non zero amount of work to be done that becomes mildly annoying for me. For others who cave easily to pressure but want to break out they feel it more I'm sure.
For anyone struggling to break out of the drinking cycle here are some things I've found after years of trying to drop it:
* Set yourself a limit and stick to it. Make it known. Mine is a two drink max. Even one will do. If you so choose zero is fine too.
* The pressure can feel immense, but hold your ground.
* Having no drink in front of you or an empty glass is a trigger for someone to ask you about it and try to pressure you into another one. Keep a glass a little full to help avoid that.
* Keep a separate tab from everyone else. I've found that having one shared tab is like throwing fuel on the fire for everyone to drink more. Especially in a company outing there is a chance that the company will pay for it making everyone go crazy with consumption.
* If someone buys you a drink that you didn't ask for feel free to not drink it and pass it onto someone else who is enthusiastic about drinking it. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do.
EDIT: One last thing -- I don't think we should remove people from being able to drink at work events, or remove it as part of the culture. Instead just raising the idea and making it more normalized that there are people who want to spend time with you, but don't want to drink just to spend time with you.
Although at one company there were occasional after-hours jaunts to a bar, they weren't attended by management, and nobody kept track of who attended and who abstained.
When I gave up drinking for a few years during my divorce, I was definitely in the minority of non-drinkers, but I never seemed to have any trouble. Then again, I didn't make a big deal of it by doing things like refusing a raffle prize. I wasn't trying to make a moral stand, I just didn't think it was a good idea for me to be drinking at the time.
Anyway, in my experience, OP is making a mountain out of a molehill, but I've heard from some friends whose work experience is different from mine that OP might just have had a run of bad luck.
This blog post is a good example of that trend. Most humans enjoy alcohol, but some of us abstain, just like how most humans enjoy many colors but some of us of us are put off by some colors. Ergo, drinks trend towards water and colors trend towards grey.
Let's not have an alcoholic drink. Let's not go to a long sports game. Let's not see an irreverent movie. How about we just go to work, do our jobs, keep our heads down, and not do anything we can't all agree on. Obviously that's not what the author intends, but it's where you end up if you try to appease every opinion in the same family as the one in this post.
"If you don't [x], you feel like an outcast." This is true, and unfortunate. It's also unavoidable when you let people act human around each other. Common interests will be discovered, emphasized in conversation, and may begin to exclude others to some degree. The appropriate reaction is to discover those other interests that you have in common with a subset of your team and draw attention to those. However, the end result is not necessarily equitable. Sometimes a team member just has less in common with others. Worse still, not all people have the same degree of openness or diversity of interests as others. I don't know what else to say except that I sympathize, but not so much that I think we should keep on marching towards grey to lessen the impact.
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I'm sure I speak for all light social drinkers when I say: These are the two things I like most about it! Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Eventually the conversation would wander to other things. I know more than I would like to about owning a boat (mostly that I don't want to). But hey that's something.
With all due respect, perhaps the problem lies with you? Not because you don’t drink, but because you let it bother you and causes you to cast judgment on others.
Given the fact that many companies prohibit alcohol these days, the proof would be a hard task.
> Most folks don’t understand the effect of peer pressure on those who don’t drink or are in an early stage of recovery from alcohol problems.
It sounds to me like the author is more frustrated that other people like to talk about things that he's just not interested in when they're out socializing. The harsh reality, though, is that if you don't have something more interesting or charming for them, then yes, you're going to get ignored. That's true whether they're talking about brewing beer, smoking weed, or sports. Don't waste your time at social events you don't enjoy. Or be proactive, and join the social committee to help with the planning.
The author is talking about work events, which are unavoidable if you want to get anywhere in your career.
Many of my friends have similar experiences.
As a drinker, I've occasionally ordered a non-alcoholic drink while everyone else was drinking because I had an early morning, had somewhere else to go, or simply wasn't in the mood. I've received pushback, for certain, on that - Alcoholics do get offended when you don't drink with them - but the one incident that ruffled me was odd enough that it stands out in my mind, and while I've certainly gotten "Just one" a few times, I've never felt unduly pressured to drink at work.
To put it really simply - I'd bet that the OP's author has experience what he's claiming, but I think he needs to get out of dodge because it is concentrated and you can just go work for companies that are more friendly.
I grant you a developer advocate would need to do this.
No, that's not what it implied. Only if you give the least charitable interpretation, rather than the most charitable interpretation.
There are work events that are unavoidable for many people. For all people? No, of course not. There are exceptions to every generalization. But let's not pretend that work events are unimportant to careers, generally speaking.
Would you not say that networking is important, in general? The article author was specifically talking about a networking event.
My point was that these events are not necessarily about pure personal enjoyment, and finding them disagreeable in some way is not necessarily a reason to avoid them, if it's important to your career that you attend. That's not a "waste of time".
Eh, I don't know how "wasted/buzzed" people get a professional social outings but I think after about 2 drinks there's a pretty good disconnect between "I'm buzzed and you're stone sober and the conversation just isn't on the same level as if you were drinking instead"
But that's the key part "more likely", and not something definitive. It's the thinking that that inference is definitive is where it crosses the line from trying to be understanding about another culture to becoming a racist argument.
I agree though that its definitely flirting with that dangerous assumption.
I'm perfectly ok with someone not wanting a drink. I wouldn't want to go out on the piss with them, mind, and I fully understand and respect the fact they'd not want to anyway... .
So what? We should aim to be inclusive.
This is subject to some major sampling bias. Drinkers cluster with drinkers. Non-drinkers with non-drinkers. For example, I've noticed that people tend to either know very few alcoholics or heavy drinkers personally, or almost everyone they know has an alcohol problem to some degree.
"Thinking less of someone for not drinking alcohol" would fairly describe much of my social circle. I've witnessed the abstinent be subjected to some remarkable barrages.
Oh, you don't? Is it a health issue? It's not? Then why? You don't like it? Why not? Do you think you're better than us? Are you a recovering alcoholic? No? Then what's the problem? Aren't you perfect! Why are you so uptight? Why are you trying to ruin the fun? He bought the drinks for you, it's really rude to refuse. Don't you want to have a good time? Why are you such a buzzkill? Here, try this drink (that I spiked without telling you). Yeah, there's booze in it. What's your problem?
When nearly everyone drinks heavily, and they view that as normal, then deviance from that is perceived as just that, social deviance.
Or they don't, and virtually in every community above 4 people you will find drinkers and non-drinkers as well.
> People were 50 percent more likely to be heavy drinkers if one of their friends or relatives drank heavily. However, if a friend-of-a-friend drank heavily, people were only 36 percent more likely to do so, and if a friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend drank heavily, they were 15 percent more likely to do so.
> The pattern worked in reverse, too, although it wasn't as pronounced. People with a friend or relative who didn't drink were 29 percent more likely to be teetotalers themselves.
> The quantity of relationships mattered as well. The more connections to drinkers--or nondrinkers--a person had, the more powerful the effect was. People "surrounded by" heavy drinkers were 70 percent more likely to drink heavily themselves, while those with many abstinent friends and relatives were 50 percent more likely to also abstain, according to the study.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/04/06/drinking.alcohol.family... Other studies mostly point in the same direction.
In US the only time I even heard of any kind of peer pressure was from first year college kids, who have not yet had a chance to explore their new found lack of parental supervision.
Ehh, they're pretty bad in the general case. I went to probably the top 1% of bars in the country recently (in The Shard in London). The entire sum of non-alcoholic options was 4 mocktails, all pretty good and very, very sweet (between us we tried 3).
There was one solitary NA beer: Peroni. This is probably one of the very worst NA beers I've ever had, after the Beck's one.
Probably they have the usual options of sugar/aspartame bombs like Coke too, but they're not on the menu.
If you're not into sugar, not drinking alcohol is extremely boring a lot of the time.
Which is sad, because there are actually some quite nice NA beers, wines and "spirits" (herbal extractions) now.
But then again, they probably don't actually want non-drinkers there as they can't sell them outrageously expensive drinks (the most expensive NA drink is £12.50, the champagne menu goes to 4 figures).
I've also won prizes that are alcohol related. The perspective I wanted to share is that I look at this as a free opportunity to delight someone on my team that enjoys alcohol. I don't try to get the conference to drop them. Instead I look at it as a way that I can delight someone.
I would hate that we reduce everything down to the point where the only thing we can give out is glasses of water because that's the only thing everyone can agree on.
Its ok that we have different likes and tastes. Don't guilt people that they like beer. It's ok, you can not like beer and they can like beer. And you haven't lost anything by winning a prize you don't like -- instead you've gained an opportunity to make someone else happy. Just pay it forward and the next time the universe might grant you a steak dinner instead. :)
Prize is a cheese wheel and you're vegan.
Prize is peanut brittle and you have a nut allergy.
Prize is a trip and you have a fear of flying or it comes on a religion holiday you observe.
Prize is food and isn't Halal / Kosher.
Yes, drinking culture has probably overshot. Beer is bad for you, even in moderation. But it is common enough, reasonably well accepted in many cultures, and one can just say "no thank you".