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Keffals: “I’m being forced to leave the continent because of Kiwi Farms”

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Needless to say, nobody should ever be swatted, but I have a hard time finding sympathy for the victim in this case when they themselves called on others to be swatted only last year.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FakBxguXkAcuuwQ?format=jpg&name=...

They didn't "call on others to be swatted" (in this tweet), they said they wished the others would experience what they inflicted on their victims. I don't find that reprehensible to be honest.

"I hope that rapist gets raped in jail!" may not seem reprehensible to you, but we all have our own sensibilities and ideas about what it means to be civilized.

I don't mean to defend the actions of kiwifarms, but clearly their actions are not particular to any given continent. Her failure to protect her opsec is certainly unfortunate, and she is not entirely blameworthy for it, but I see no reason why her ability in that regard will improve because she has traveled to another landmass. If she believes being farther away from her home offers her some protection, then that would be as easily achieved elsewhere in canada, or in the US. If she intends to be more careful when she moves elsewhere, then she could very well remain in london and do the same.

I am doubtful that her strategy of requesting the aid of cloudflare will be effective in deplatforming kiwifarms. Though cloudflare has removed websites in the past, this only rarely, and I believe they have stated they regretted it. Regardless, there are other services to protect from DDoS attacks, and we see both the daily stormer and 8ch are nowadays online again.

While distasteful, the best strategy in dealing with these sorts of websites is to ignore them and their malicious behaviour. Cease to offer them the reward of a reaction, and they will quickly grow bored and move on. It is unfortunate to be the current target of their amusement, but fortunately one has some degree of control over whether one remains that way.

How do you "ignore" being swatted? Please answer quickly, there are armed men at the door.

Don't post about it online, I mean.

So to restate your position on this:

- Keffals is partly to blame for her harassment because of poor opsec

- Targets of KF should just take the abuse until their abusers (hopefully) get bored

- Nowhere on earth is safe from a small-ish group of trolls, so there's no point in trying to regain privacy by moving far away

- There's no point in appealing to Cloudflare because it is a replaceable service

I have to say that I disagree on all fronts, especially with the idea that Keffals should have just taken it on the chin and waited it out.

- insofar as "blame" and "ability to prevent" are different, I'm only assigning the latter to keffals

- targets of KF shouldn't broadcast their reactions to abuse, as that is what sustains the posters there

- nowhere on earth is any more safe than is london ontario, to any large degree

- I made my point regarding CF fairly clear.

> insofar as "blame" and "ability to prevent" are different, I'm only assigning the latter to keffals

This is what you wrote:

>> she is not entirely blameworthy for it

"Not entirely blameworthy" means "worthy of some blame".

> nowhere on earth is any more safe than is london ontario, to any large degree

It's not all about the place. Just being in a new country, especially one where it's possible to prevent your name from being published, makes a difference. It allows Keffals to reset her "opsecs" as you put it.

There are also countries where it's much harder to swat someone and where being swatted is more or less dangerous.

And, finally, if Keffals were to end up in the EU, she would be able to take advantage of GDPR and other privacy protections.

> I made my point regarding CF fairly clear.

Yes, you did. I highlighted it because it is ridiculous on its face. Cloudflare has become a major backbone of the web, and there is not a real 1:1 replacement for it.

Swatting is never acceptable but if you're trying to hook people's kids up with DIY chemicals brewed in a bathtub then people are going to be quite pissed

What are you referring to? Keffals was not accused of any crime. I don't even think KF was known to be spreading rumors that she was. They just swatted her with a fake tip that they didn't even pretend was real.

Keffals has promoted getting hormones to kids without their parents knowledge[1], and links with BobPosting, who produces them [2][3]. Keffals has previously been involved with Discords where concerning my young people were taking such drugs and having sexual conversations [4]

[1] https://archive.ph/zQoMl [2] https://archive.ph/iDj9v [3] https://archive.ph/qHEDN [4] https://archive.ph/03p8r

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