Over 90% of Medieval Manuscripts Have Been Lost, Study Says
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Ultimately, the report found that 799 literary tales out of an original 1,170 are still around today. It also found that those stories were written down in a total of 40,614 manuscripts, but only 3,648 of those have survived.
Collective memory seems to be defined as "the shared pool of memories, knowledge and information of a social group that is significantly associated with the group's identity", and I don't really know what information is significant to the human identity. That number also seems to really depend on how we define "shared human memory" given that there's been something like 100 billion people on the planet over time and we don't remember the vast majority of their days, conversations, dreams, or poops.
(They should've said 'estimated', not 'found'.)
If you're curious on medieval manuscripts, definitely checkout the following:
Meetings with Remarkable Manuscripts [1] by Christopher de Hameml — get a hardcover edition of this book; it has absolutely gorgeous selection of artwork from 12 of the most spectacular "illuminated manuscripts" (including the Book of Kells) in the world. The writer is a marvelous storyteller. This hardcover edition is one of my "prized possessions".
You can browse a lot of these works in great detail on this[2] excellent visual arts website by the Getty Research Institute website.
E.g. you can find the 16th century illuminated manuscript, "Spinola Hours" hereYou have to scroll twice to see the list of 182 images. And you can in turn browse the illustrations it such this[3] calendar-page miniature painting for the month of May. You can see people singing and making merry on a boat, along with other drawings—all on a small page.
Note though, one doesn't need to be religious in any sense (I'm not) to appreciate these art works.
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29902560
[1] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/316549/meetings-wit...
[2] https://www.getty.edu/art/
[3] https://www.getty.edu/art/collection/objects/1401/master-of-...
And this is important because we're repeating this mistake even more gravely now with digital media. Terrible proprietary formats and protocols that are lost like tears in rain the moment the private entity maintaining them closes down, terrible dependency graphs that are never frozen or even properly described (e.g. "runs on Linux" is an implicit dependency that is never explained or explicitly mentioned), terrible culture of "movE fAsT ANd bReAk tHiNGs", and a false sense of security and durability ("The Internet is forever") that makes us increasingly generate information in native-digital ways and convert whatever is not digital to digital then discarding the original. All of this is begging for a mass civilizational amnesia on a scale never seen or imaginable.
I think most of these were lost before any region had one large place known as "the dump", a relatively modern thing
Also that's a fascinating link you shared, thanks.
Gives a fascinating view into Roman mass commerce.
The manuscripts we have mostly exist because the people of the past (often Christian monks) cared enough about them to make a copy - by hand. (I assume Monks in places like China or India have been making copies in the same way, I just don't know for sure)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest
I came across this practice when reading the Chapter of Fathers in the Mishna:
"Elisha ben Abuyah said: He who learns when a child, to what is he compared? To ink written upon a new writing sheet. And he who learns when an old man, to what is he compared? To ink written on palimpsest. Rabbi Yose ben Judah a man of Kfar Ha-babli said: He who learns from the young, to what is he compared? To one who eats unripe grapes, and drinks wine from his vat; And he who learns from the old, to what is he compared? To one who eats ripe grapes, and drinks old wine. Rabbi [Yehuda] said: don’t look at the container but at that which is in it: there is a new container full of old wine, and an old [container] in which there is not even new [wine]."
Somehow, I doubt that. Got a reference?
Some googling got me to a quote of "Jehan de Sanlis made this for 6 pence per quire", The Hague, Royal Library, MS 71 A 24, 13th century from https://brewminate.com/making-medieval-manuscripts/ ; I'd guess that illumination and binding these quires (16- or 24-page sheet) doubles the price, so we're at half-pence per page; price summaries from a slightly later time (but different place) like http://faculty.goucher.edu/eng240/medieval_prices.html have similar values (~240 pence/ book) and indicate that a small house costs 500-1000 pence, so a house costs something like 1000-2000 pages worth of books, and it's worth taking into account that medieval manuscripts put less words on a page than modern paperbacks, so the same book would be more pages back then.
From a different perspective, copying the Bible was said to require 15 months of work (Life in a Medieval City, Joseph and Frances Gies) and the price a small house seems to generally be in the range of 1-2 years salary, so a copy of the Bible - which is on the larger range of books - would be comparable to a house.
In any case, an average codex at the time is less than the price of a house but on a similar scale, a collection of a hundred books is comparable to a fancy mansion in the capital.
Velum is cowhide. Or more specifically, calfskin.
1 calf -> 1 sheet.
How much do 300 head of cattle cost near you?
That's before the scribe costs.
It also accounts to why parchment was so often re-used, in palimpsests, as discussed by others in this thread.
The present-cost equivalent I've heard is from $500k -- $2mm per volume.
As of the 10th -- 15th centuries, a large library (e.g., Papal, University of Paris) might contain 2,000 -- 4,000 volumes.
The combination of cheap papermaking and the Gutenberg press were an impact that's truly difficult to express today, though of course the webserver is in many ways comparable. If there's a difference, it's that there was simply so little printed material in the 15th century that the flood introduced by printing, and the lifting of previous gatekeepers, was utterly profound. The Web produced a flood of media ... into an already media-saturated world, if one that was centred around a much smaller number of individual works, though even that was large relative to an individual. The US has been publishing ~300k books/year since at least the 1950s. An avid reader might tackle a dozen a year, and a book-a-week is a prodigious pace.
The really sickening part of studying medieval manuscripts is seeing how frequently they were treated as trash by later generations. We have what are now priceless artifacts that were used as cutting boards or had pages ripped out to be used as food wrapping.
I think this is especially bad with Old English, because once it became a dead language, hardly anyone saw value in preserving the manuscripts. What we have today of Anglo-Saxon literature mostly survived by accident.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#Decline
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_o...
Seems a stretch, but I'd watch that movie.
Here's a short video about the process https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GduCExxB0vw and here's the related publication: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1601247
I've had the pleasure to meet one of the authors of the study at a user meeting of the x-ray scanners they use, since I also work with such machines. It's a fascinating study!
I think that's even more of a tragedy than the lost in time ones, those are lost to indifference.
Hell, entire subjects are poo-pooed these days. Dare I say the word 'humanities' around a 'tech' worker?
Lost to indifference, religious or scientific dogma, a lack of curiosity, and even more damaging: a lack of humility.
I think techies are bimodal. Some (most?) don't get humanities at all, and some are more fervent fans of humanities than many humanities people themselves...
We have a very partial view of the past
I know literacy was low, but that’s just unreasonable. “People only use 10% of their brains” territory.
If we include the larger categories (like the religious texts) then it would be higher, but not that much higher, given the many man-months of work each copy required.
Disruptions, no matter how celebrated are always connected to a loss of old knowledge. Even if it is loss of "wrong" knowledge, its disaster.
But then, that is life. The most brutal cut possible and only the most vital of information gets rediscovered, repeated and filtered down from word of mouth into another storage medium.
By the way I have a relative who just received a collection from his French family, it includes a few hundred books from antiquity and the renaissance (first or second editions), if you or someone you know are interested in viewing them you can reach me.
[0] https://gallica.bnf.fr/accueil/en/content/accueil-en?mode=de...
Hopefully the 90 percent that is lost was the same 90 percent that is crap.