And we’ll use that for ads. But it’s fine. It’s locally so it’s fine and you are not a product. All because we convinced people using our deep pockets that they should only care if data is on servers?
I smile remembering "if you don't pay you're the product" which apple lovers lobbied looking at G users, hinting they payment for extra margins will save them from being ad targeted.
But now:
- Paying won't save you from ads.
- You're paying but you're still the product
- And ultimately Apple also gets huge sums from Google, for selling their users.
It's ads all the way down.
Reminds me of a throwaway line on West World season 3, “… before the privacy laws...” like what is it going to take to stop this? Ad industry has been an absolute disaster for the human experience IMO.
Apple device owners are generally rich, young, impressionable and loose with their money. They are the holy grail for advertisers.
TVs are the same. Pay a pretty penny for a high end TV, hello, we'll still stuff this thing full of ads and tracking cookies.
I really, really wish companies would stop asking themselves "Why not both?"
If it wear MS not Apple they would already be fined for anti competitive behavior.
Where is the difference between MS bundling IE with Windows and Apple forcing Webkit in all iOS browsers?
Monopoly.
Microsoft is buying the largest game developer for $70B without skipping a beat.
I'm not saying FAAMGs should be able to spend hundreds of billions unchecked in consolidating M&A, but this contradiction when no one flinches at Microsoft buying Activision makes it pretty obvious, in my possibly mistaken opinion, that this is no objective process.
I find it odd that people get so invested in Apple as a company, but while beating them head to head is difficult it’s also potentially extremely profitable.
>There is’t much lock in with phones or tablets as people go back and forth between iOS and Android.
It still complicated to transfer all data and settings from one Android phone to another Android phone. I highly doubt it's simpler to transfer all data from iOS to Android or vice versa
Odd, it’s almost trivial to go from iPhone to iPhone, but I never had 2 Android phones in a row.
Anyway, despite it being a major revenue stream most people purchase minimal if any apps and of those many can make the swap. Money sinks like Clash of Clans generally let you transfer accounts between platforms to keep people hooked. And of course subscription like Disny+ are independent.
The average person is just checking email, taking pictures of their food, reading garbage news sites, and watching mindless fad videos.
That’s basically the reason me and every iPhone owner I know buy one.
Yet. If iOS News app is any indication of how bad their ads will be then I think they really will be hurting themselves in the long term. My guess is there are many like myself who now use Apple products as the “least bad” option rather than truly liking them anymore, that sentiment will grow way faster when people start seeing ads in more places.
I’m one of those people where consistent keyboard shortcuts is the main sticky feature, but that only let’s me put up with so much.
When my $1000 Galaxy started waking me up with Samsung push notification ads I had not opted in to, I knew I was done with Android.
But yes it should be widely known that android on samsung isn't the same as android on nokia or motorola.
Integration with Apple ecosystem, properly designed OS and not mishmash of dozens visual styles.
That is two different statements. HN users are not Joe Average. Apart from working with the Apple Ecosystem, I cannot get enough privacy on Android. The new changes does not mean that Android is acceptable, it just means that the Iphone is also not acceptable, leaving me with zero acceptable smart phones.
There are two, again two platforms that matter for phones. That's it. "Well, it is not 1, so we can just twiddle our thumbs and ignore the problem" is not at all convincing. And then people get sidetracked with "but the term monopoly taken literally means...". Yes, nobody cares. Antitrust is explicitly not just about that.
I get what you're saying, but Apple didn't put a health monitoring device on you, or shove a credit card in your wallet. That was your choice, totally voluntary, and as a knowledgeable person you were to some degree aware that your data would be stored and processed as a result. You made a choice to trade privacy for whatever convenience you expected those products to provide you.
The issue is that on the sell page or the produc box there is not a list like
1 this device does not support Google Pay or for Apple
WARNING , before you biu you MUST acknowledge
1 you can only use Safari with skins
2 you can't use apps we think are too mature, or too siple, or might use compete with us, or apps we just don't like
3 if you are in China we will send your data straight tot eh goverment
4 you will not be able to developer or install any app for your device unless we review and anyone your account.
5 apps that are on our store today might be removed tomorrow , or blocked to send you updates
6 ad blockers are more crippled then on other devices,
7 messaging with your Andoid friends will be crippled
8 we will scan your photos for bad images and report you to the police ------
100 ....
So it is FALSE that ALL users know ALL the downsides and ALL future downsides when buying a device.
If I am wrong and you can see this on the online electronic shops or real world shops I would like to see this , I never seen this warnings so far.