Sudden increase in number of mid-air diversions to Hawaii
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They kept the passengers onboard after landing while we watched the plane being fueled up before it took off again.
Apparently, someone forgot to fuel up the plane before takeoff AND the pilots missed it on their checklist. Last time I flew Aero Mexico.
But none seem to be the case with these diversions, from what is publicly known.
https://avherald.com/h?article=4fc19a3b&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=4fcfe330&opt=0
We just continued undisturbed and landed as we should. I'm sure the plane went to technical hangar, tho.
Fed and watered customers are less likely to get ill and less likely to get unruly.
Trying to fit an airline meal into the terribly limited space of an airline tray, and unwrap things that need unwrapping, and keep the trash under control, and find places for the small things they include that you don't even eat or need - and still manage to partake of the comestibles - this requires skills in spatial management that for some may lead to an unrewarding career in solving infernal Chinese wooden puzzles.
"Apparently there was an airline that managed to save tens of thousands of dollars per year by removing a single olive from the salads in their meals, because it was hardly noticed by customers it was a massive win, tens of thousands of dollars without anyone noticing.
How true is this story?"
Surely one of the great comedies.
Say there are 100 passengers. We roll the dice 100 times, once for each passenger.
The success rate for the overall flight would be 0.999 ^ 100 = 90.4% -> About a 10% chance of flight failure.
If there are 400 passengers, we get 67.0%, about a 33% chance of flight failure.
Given enough passengers per flight, few or no flights reach their destination.
Anyway, after the rude comment she just smirked and wrote XXX or something like that on my boarding card. I was like whatever, but when I got to the line at the gate and they checked my boarding card I got taken into a run for a "special" inspection. So unless you love body cavity searches don't be stupid and say things you are going to regret to TSA agents.
You're lucky that it was only hand written. Some people get that printed on their boarding pass which means it will pretty much always happen to them.
I had a special sticker placed in my passport by Australia because I left my passport laying on the counter while having work gear inspected and paperwork. Didn't realize it until attempting to check in, and then left all of the gear with my coworker while I ran off to get the passport. When I returned with it, the official that was "helping" us with our gear placed the sticker in my passport. Everytime I returned to AU, I got the special screening minus cavity searches. It was my own damn fault, and I was never rude to anyone about it, but yeah, I probably did look a bit shady running off after leaving a stack of large pelican cases. Oh well, that passport has now expired and the new one is sticker free.
I would expect immigration and customs to check the green card. Immigration has never checked my boarding pass for what would be a potential onward flight. TSA would be at different area in the airport.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification
We all stayed on board and we’re maybe down for 20 minutes.
- respect for the dead: a person has just passed on. Many people want at least the illusion of deceased people being at rest, and would think it's undignified to bring the body all the way to the destination when it could be allowed to be taken off and "rest".
and
- the comfort of surrounding passengers: there's not a lot of free space on a passenger plane. I don't know if there are any procedures for moving a body to someplace more convenient to the other passengers, but doing so would kind of fly in the face of the previous point.
In other words if it's an airline policy diversion ATC may just see a plane requesting deviation from flight path.
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. LAX - Papetee is 8 hours and the only island that could break it up is probably Hawaii.
Not to mention Auckland->Santiago or Perth -> Jakarta.
I'm missing out.
I knew there's a Santiago->South Pole. That I did know.
By eyeball, there’s only a short segment where Hawaii is closer than LAX or PPT/RAR.
Kiribati might be an option but I don’t know if they have a runway sized for a 767.
Seems like ETOPS-330 and above is Santiago-Sydney and Auckland-Buenos Aires. These routes sound technically interesting but not especially fun for passengers. 17+ hours entirely over water.
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/gh/news/article/stronger-j...
No explanation was given, but they put us on a different plane about 3 hours later. But the experience was terrifying to be honest, when the pilot says we are turning around, and there are only miles of ocean in all directions.
another thing that sometimes reassures people is (ironically) watching those airplane disaster documentaries, e.g. on YouTube - you can see that planes are actually really robust, and lots of stuff has to go wrong at the same time before it's a real emergency, and how rare some of that stuff is. Mentour Pilot is an actual pilot who does accident documentaries sometimes.
And chaos theory says that there will occasionally be groupings of otherwise random events.
7 flight diversions over 3 weeks doesn't sound like some type of natural disaster or geopolitical conflict to me.
Not that I know anything. Genuinely curious.
Note that four of the five not-definitely-known-to-be-mechanical incidents transmitted either to or from San Diego, where a lot of navy exercises start from (the shown flight track diverts near where the navy reported harassment from a mystery drone swarm). Would probably be neat to see if they lined up in time and see if there are any other flights that transmitted around then to immediately kill the hypothesis.
There is quite possibly no connection other than coincidence -- 2 of the 7 we're mechanical problems, after all -- but there may be some connection. For example, wind conditions could have been very unfavorable, putting the smaller aircraft closer to their range limits, exacerbating any other problems by reducing fuel margin.
Honest question, not expressing an opinion: for "unruly activity" how would you have heard?
I was on a SFO-Toronto flight, and it diverted to Denver because a passenger got unruly & they had him taken off & arrested. Would this have appeared anywhere online?
https://avherald.com/ is also pretty thorough in terms of breadth.
TIL.
From the linked article, you could be 3 hours away from a diversion when you are flying to Hawaii.
Thus, there is probably a lower threshold to divert, than say if you were flying trans-continental over the US where there are a lot of diversion options all along the route.