Additionally, fabric of society, progress, puppy dogs, and America. Think of the children (during your commute.)
We’re in this cubicle together. (Management thought it would cut costs.)
Imagine that. Forcing employees into an office, but not even guaranteeing a desk. It’s hardly better than going to a cowork or even a coffee shop.
Sure you won’t get the in-office perks, but the company appreciates your understanding.
I think there's some people still going to the office daily and I imagine they basically have their own dedicated desk at this point.
The joys of bureaucracy...
Can't script/screen scrape that process either because the site is behind SSO, so I would truly need API keys to access it automatically.
Don't people get sick of staring at the same four walls all day?
The whole point is flexibility! If you don’t want an office, don’t have one. If you want one, have one. But jobs that force you into a specific office remove the choice.
I've worked from this room for the past ~9 years, since we've lived in this house, and won't complain at all if I work here for 9 or 39 more.
Maybe once or twice a week, I do just that. It's a basic exercise in gratitude. At those moments, I remind myself that the ability to work at home in a comfortable, quiet, well-equipped environment is an extraordinary privilege, one that I must never take for granted.
My fellow engineers who have to drive, bike, or ride a bus to the Brobdingnagian toroidal panopticon in Cupertino are absolutely among the industry's elite. The best of the best, both respected and envied by their peers at other companies. Most years, the majority of them likely outearn me handily... as they should, because many of them are better at their jobs than I am at mine. I wouldn't trade places with any of them for ten times their salary, and I've told recruiters as much.
I actually feel sorry for those poor souls. Commuting is for suckers and open office plans are for livestock. The progressive companies that will eventually outcompete companies like Apple for engineering talent have most likely already been started in other peoples' garages, spare bedrooms, and basements... where they'll remain.
You’re allowed to go outside. It’s not hospitable everywhere and I get that. You’re also allowed to go any number of other places that would welcome your presence. If that doesn’t work well for you, by all means go to the office if you’d prefer. I want to spend all of my day at or near home, it’s a nice place to work and I love to spend the rest of my time out and about or snuggling my pup. You can enjoy what you enjoy and I can enjoy what I enjoy.
If you get sick of what you see at the office, maybe you can put some funko pops on your hot desk and take them home each day so no one steals them.
I have a room with bookshelves along one wall and a large world map on another wall, and it has a desk which goes up and down at the touch of a button. It's such a nice room that I go into it on weekends to spend fun time on my personal computer, but it's also where I go on weekdays to work.
I have a separate living room (with a TV), and kitchen, and bedroom, and so on. Not a mansion, but definitely some variety.
Then again, that's my personality. I don't feel cooped up unless I haven't left the house in a week or so. Other people feel cooped up in a lot shorter period of time.
Yeah sure, maybe if you include the middle management staff in your regressions.
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That's me. I did really want to go back and am back 5 days a week. It's great :)
I suspect there may be a day where people are happy for any job that pays them to stay alive and have food, WPA style. An office might not sound so bad after a few years of laying sidewalks and repairing bridges.
Spoiler alert: we're not.
http://pc.blogspot.com/2015/08/quotes-of-morning-before-afte...
People are getting offers, which are so insane, a friend of mine, more like a distant friend of a friend recently got a total comp package of slightly over 250k per year.
He only has to go in 2 days per week, and it's pretty flexible. You can make the days up.
But he's also the type of person who really likes to get out of the house, they own dogs so often he'll just need to get out of there.
This is the only website where you can say a friend is making 250k people act like it's not a big deal
I guess lawyers and doctors make this amount of money too, but programming is the only profession you can learn with just a used laptop and a Starbucks internet connection.
And then still expect to hit a minimum of 100K within 3 years of installing Visual Studio. Even if you're a college dropout.
That's what happened to me.
God Bless America.
The problem with 250k is that you can probably get a maximum of $1M mortgage with that. Can you buy a decent average house in Cupertino for $1M? Now imagine you have 3 kids and you like to take a nice family vacation twice a year. So with an average house in SV you will end up spending almost all of that 250k, good luck saving for college.
If I ever have kids, I'd probably tell them to go to community college like I did .
Even at community college, I was meeting students from Sweden, China, etc. Even went out with a K-pop supermodel once. You can attend college in California, at a community college for about $1,000 a year. Everything included.
Then go to UC Berkeley, where at most it's going to be $20,000 a year for 2 years, that's only a total of $42,000 to get a degree from one of the best schools in the world.
Now I imagine, let's say my first girlfriend finds my number, we end up having the twins that she wanted. And then our twins are super geniuses who get into Harvard.
Then maybe 250k isn't enough, it's weird though because I would think that anything over 200k is doing absurdly well.
Plus if you only need to go into work one or two days a week, just drive from Sacramento..
When I went to college in California, there was an extremely wide range
From people like me who honestly only showed up so I can get grant money and an apartment.
To the children of millionaires, to my knowledge, I never met the child of a billionaire though.
Just because you're not in the top 1% of income, earners doesn't make you a loser, if I was offered a job at like say 300K at Google
With an in-office requirement, I would just find a way to commute. I don't need to live in San Francisco.
It's all about where you see yourself in that range.
According to Levels FYI [1] the average (total) compensation package at Apple for a Junior Software Engineer is U$162k in 2022 (data points skewed to Californian employees).
That website shows 33 self-reported compensation packages in 2022 from people hired as ICT2, which is how Apple categorizes junior programmers. The highest compensation package is U$229,125 from someone with knowledge in Machine Learning / AI knowledge, their base salary is U$140k and the rest is RSU (U$37k per year, for 4 years) and a one-time signing bonus of U$52k. The lowest compensation package is U$96k (only base salary, no RSU, no signing bonus). Then, based on these 33 data points of ICT2 who joined Apple in 2022, the average (total) compensation package is U$157k, with U$124k being the average base salary.
I will not say that junior programmers can not get a U$250k (total) compensation package, maybe those with a Masters degree and/or very specialized skills, but to say that “250 total comp is a fairly junior engineer offer” is a ridiculous exaggeration.
[1] https://www.levels.fyi/companies/apple/salaries/software-eng...
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Goodfellow
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-17/ian-goodf...
This is true, but it's also dangerous. The lizardfolk [1] have learned that WFH works, that's the good news. The bad news is that nothing prevents said lizardfolk from taking the jobs right out of our pockets and shipping them to places where workers have even fewer rights than in the US.
COVID-19 isn't over, and it is still capitalism's Chernobyl. It might, however, first hurt American workers because it is also possibly nationalism's Chernobyl. People accept national governments when those governments protect them, either from foreign invaders, or from the private-sector smeg-thugs called "employers". The success of WFH has proven that most work can be done anywhere. This isn't just bad for local real estate barons; it's bad for nations. Western governments have done a piss-poor job, over the past 40 years, of protecting their own people from their bosses... but what happens if they can't even do that? The world becomes ungovernable.
WFH eviscerates false consciousness, which is a good thing (acceleration) but dangerous. We no longer pretend work is the most important thing in our lives, a "passion" because we somehow lack the imagination to conceive of better uses for our time than subordinate labor. (We still do it, and competently, but not for 50+ hours per week.) The bosses no longer pretend to be invested in our careers or to see us as future colleagues rather than disposable subordinates. Work becomes a commodity, a trade of (too much) of one's finite time for (too little of) an artificially scarce commodity called money. And that's really fucking depressing. "Antiwork" on Reddit (which is mostly just meme posts at this point) is just the beginning.
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[1] No, I don't believe the corporate upper class are literal reptilians. It's important to use imagery like this to dehumanize the private jet set, in order to prepare the public in case peaceful means to remove these people from power are exhausted and we have to go into the second half of the alphabet, so to speak.
You’re literally defending them and creating halo effect around them, lol.
- We can fire people that don't want to come back (avoids legal issues with layoffs/firing and directly saves money)
- Managers need to see people working and be seen working (people justifying their position - but hard to say if this actually saves money)
- We're paying for office space (Apple just paid a lot and can't just give up their lease)
- The C-suite's mansions are close by and they need to visibly show they're working/earning their pay
Few of these things make sense for a company engaged in profit generation - except getting rid of people and amortizing a fixed/sunk cost. Are there any other reasons that "someone" would want people back in person? Is it really that much more productive to make people get ready for an office (cleaning up, putting on appropriate clothing, etc) and commuting in?
No, on second thought that would be a bigger waste of space then leaving it empty.
:)
They need devs to grow their revenue, these companies were built on attracting talent. That was the 00s.
Gone are the days where people were gullable enough to think have an inhouse chef was for the employees benifit. lets face it, bigtech would tape you to a chair, itubate both ends and pump processed nutriants through your system if they had a choice.
The truth is if another guy has the same skill level as you and he can work on site you are out.
As covid comes to an end, companies has to enforce rto gradually in general and making remote as an exception. There is no way around it, because the company that allows you to walk your dog at 11am will lose to the ones that ensures you are at work at the same time. It is the competition, that’s it.