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> Are you saying that the caliber of student in the EECS department of Berkeley is so high that even the bottom 13% of the class would have gotten C's or B's at another school?

Certainly not any other school in general, but at your average university, probably yes. That's not so hard to believe given the competitiveness of Cal's engineering programs.

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I find it hard to believe. I've encountered - both as a student and as a teacher - too many bright, seemingly qualified students who just don't work hard enough and get their work done to accept that claim.

You very well could be right. But what's meaningful here is that Berkeley is hard, and that was the original point :)

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