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> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background.

Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users.

Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just that they use RCS instead of SMS/MMS to talk to Android users. Not an unreasonable ask given RCS is likely to be a widely adopted standard and an non-trivial improvement over SMS.

Edit: Color aside, the read receipts, MMS quality, Wifi send etc all seem worth fixing with RCS.

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This is the most trivial complaint I've ever read. I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles - it just means that it hasn't been sent via iMessage - if I send to an iPhone and sending falls back to SMS it looks just the same. I can't believe people get that upset about green v blue.

That’s very ableist of you.

About 1 in 12 males are colorblind. I’m in this group.

I find white text on a bright green background very difficult to read.

So making the bubble blue instead of green without changing the protocol would be already ok for you? How do you cope with this right now, do you and your social group use alternatives to iMessage like signal or telegram?

It’s the text you send, not incoming, so you don’t need to read it much. There’s also various accessibility features to help with color across the os.

Not only that, but these are complaints coming from non-iPhone users, by definition, which means it is totally up to Android what color their messages are displayed in.

iPhone User texts Android user - the iPhone user sees their outbound message as green on white.

This is not up to Android, it is up to Apple how their UX displays texts to non-Apple users.

Which is why there are accessibility settings for exactly that.

sure, but why keep an inaccessible default?

Because it doesn’t affect everyone and aesthetics are not equal to accessibility?

I do agree that the green bubbles aren’t great looking but thats what they chose for iOS even prior to iMessage existing.

> Because it doesn’t affect everyone

This isn't a good answer. We can use sensible attractive UI/UX defaults without being exclusive.

> Because it doesn’t affect everyone and aesthetics are not equal to accessibility?

The thing with accessibility is that it does affect everyone.

If you get woken up by a call and open iMessage in the middle of the night, being able to read the message accurately while blinking away eye gunk matters.

Better contrast helps you read your text message if your phone is on a table across from you lying flat.

There's going to be times you're trying to read a message and your phone won't be 100% in front of you at arms length and you are able to take the time to bring the phone into focus with proper lighting around you.

  If you get woken up by a call and open iMessage in the middle of the night,
  being able to read the message accurately while blinking away eye gunk matters.

The only green text bubbles are for text you send via SMS. Incoming text is styled the same regardless of protocol.

I turned on the "increase contrast" accessibility feature just because it makes the green background color on those messages look nicer. Just do it. It isn't like they check to to see if you are diagnosed with colorblindness or whatever.

I would happily use the eye gunk excuse for everyone contacting me at night. I probably find that word more funny because I just learned it and I am not a native speaker.

I still believe this is an issue. Colorblind or not, everyone probably has had difficulties reading their phone in direct sunlight. But these are seriously not insurmountable technical problems at all and the excuse is pretty weak.

You read the messages you send?

You don’t?

Not after I send them...

I am a colorblind male and I apologize on behalf of colorblind people using the word ableist. The bubble text is fine for me.

This comment says almost exactly the same thing without the first sentence. This trend of everyone calling everyone else a something-ist can’t die fast enough.

You’re right. I should’ve left it off. I was frustrated.

I know it's awful that I thought of this, but I half-expected your second sentence to call him a label-ist.

Are 1 in 12 colorblind in a way that makes the white on green difficult to read

What if 3 in 12 who aren’t colorblind find it easier to read white on green?

Not everything is worthy of a social justice battle.

On iPhone you can enable one of several system-wide colour modes designed for colour-blind. Give it a try.

If you read the article, you’d know that there are actually multiple functional issues due to Apple insisting on SMS/MMS.

From the guidelines¹:

> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

Regardless if they read the article or not, they were addressing one specific complaint which is unrelated to the others.

¹ https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Let's be clear. Green vs blue is a bit of a red herring.

The real issue is that Apple has to have some fallback protocol for texting with non-iMessage devices, but refusing to upgrade the fallback protocol beyond SMS/MMS makes the texting experience worse for everyone, as described in the article.

(To avoid additional red herrings. No one is thinking here about opening up iMessage itself to non-Apple clients, just upgrading the fallback option. Also, I can't speak for everyone, but among the non-terminally-online Gen Xer and late-Millennial Americans I know, "texting" means using the built-in app on your phone. Switching to another app is a relationship step. Many of them are blithely unaware that they can't "just" text a photo or video to me or other Android users, nor that I can't just sign out of a group chat when I feel like it.)

SMS is also the fallback protocol for iMessage. If I’m in a place with poor signal, even my texts from the Messages app on my iPhone to my spouse’s iPhone go as SMS.

Edit to add: those bubbles are green too. That’s what the bubble colors really mean. Blue and green are not iPhone vs Android, it’s iMessage (end to end encrypted) vs SMS (less secure, less private).

> I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles

Besides the other issues... as soon as I heard that adolescents and teens (i.e., hyper-self-conscious, wanting group acceptance, figuring out social status) would be appearing differently in chats with schoolmates, based on whether they used Apple or non-Apple... that sure is a way to sell them Apples.

Some teens buy old and cheap iphones that aren't really useable.

And then they leave them plugged in at home and forward the messages to their Android device.

Just so that they show up as a blue bubble on their friends phones.

Status obsessions of teens should not be a serious consideration in how messaging communications work.

Another comment alluded to this, but small-minded people will always find a discriminant - toys, clothes, shoes, hair, height, weight, university, degree, house, cottage, trips, car, yacht, private jet, donations, endowments, and so on. Explore what your heart says to, make, buy and enjoy the things you love, and don't sweat the 'bullies'.

Google conclusively found there was a statistically most pleasing shade of blue in their 41 Shades of Blue experiment. This type of testing can be and is being leveraged for profit. It's not too difficult to imagine Apple tuning iMessage vs. SMS colors to be perfectly calming/nauseating respectively.

It's also worth noting that the current version of iMessage uses contrast levels that don't follow Apple's own HIG (the early green bubbles did, but the shade of green has gotten lighter and lighter over time)

These days it’s good marketing to blame Apple for everything.

First, RCS is not a very modern or practical standard. It was created in 2008 by carriers (GSMA!!) for their SMS/MMS centric (at the time) platforms. So is it a good idea to adopt this more than a decade later? I don’t think so.

Second, it’s really not Apple’s fault that Google has failed to come up with a messaging solution. Google has released 13 separate messenger apps since 2011!

“Right now, Google runs three mainline messaging apps: Besides this Google Messages/RCS platform, there's also Google Chat, which is a more traditional over-the-top messaging service, and Google Voice, which is a Google-provided phone number with SMS. Google Hangouts is technically still around as the fourth messaging app, though that's shutting down in November. There are also siloed messaging apps built into Google Maps, Google Photos, Google Stadia, Google Pay, Google Assistant, and Google Phone, and none of them talk to each other.

Google's head of messaging also quit last month, so there's no telling what the future of Google messaging holds until someone takes the reins. I would suggest Google get its house in order before it starts throwing rocks at Apple.” https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...

>First, RCS is not a very modern or practical standard. It was created in 2008 by carriers (GSMA!!) for their SMS/MMS centric (at the time) platforms. So is it a good idea to adopt this more than a decade later? I don’t think so.

Is a standard from the 90s acceptable then? Do we say Apple shouldn't migrate to USB-C since it's old-ish? A standard being around a long time is a good thing, but when a better one comes along I don't see what excuse Apple has to not migrate (besides anti-competitiveness, which is a really good reason I suppose).

>Second, it’s really not Apple’s fault that Google has failed to come up with a messaging solution. Google has released 13 separate messenger apps since 2011!

The argument in the article could be made irrespective of Google. The article isn't saying "Apple isn't playing nice so use our stuff instead", it's a critique of an obvious attempt by Apple to build a walled garden around messaging. Google is arguing for a standard adopted across the industry, not one of their many messaging apps.

The point of that specific complaint is that the market has evolved significantly since RCS was first created. Things we now take for granted were not built into the standard because they didn’t exist.

So Apple should stick to en even older standard (SMS/MMS)?

All that Google is asking is for the fallback to be at least in the current century, is that too much to ask.

Isn’t that the safest fallback, if you know they aren’t using iMessage? The other phone could be a phone that can’t accept RCS or iMessage.

Yes it seems that RCS is actually not a real fallback, it is a request to support yet another modern(ish) system.

Fallbacks can be layered. For a company that claims go all-out for its consumers privacy, using SMS as the default fallback in the 21st century is pretty sus.

There’s over a dozen different versions of RCS, hand who knows which carrier supports which parts. It’d be more fall-through (the cracks) than fall back.

I personally think they should adopt something brand new and not evil. I'm not saying that RCS is evil, but from what I can tell, while it has federation, Google seems to be gaining a monopoly on RCS (sorry, I don't remember what article I read that in). My pick would be something like Matrix or even XMPP to make sure that there's a definite standard that is federated by design; however, you'd have to trust your carrier/software to not dump your messages onto Google's server instead of using a different server.

The green used on the website is significantly brighter than on an iPhone. In fact, on the iPhone, I would say the green gives better contrast than the white text on a blue background.

For direct messages, the colored bubbles are only used on messages you send. Messages received are always white text on black background (dark mode) or black text on grey background (light mode).

edit: my bad. "increase contrast" option is on, set years ago.

The green (and also the blue, but less so) used by iMessage doesn't even meet the minimum contrast set by apple accesibility guidelines [1]

[1] https://medium.com/@krvoller/how-iphone-violates-apples-acce...

It's objectively much worse contrast.

https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-CB781_1017ST_2_...

My contrast tool says the blue contrast is 3.4:1 while the green is 1.9:1

I just took screenshots of an Android green text bubble and the https://www.android.com/get-the-message/ site, and used Photoshop's eyedropper tool to compare colors. They're the exact same shade of green, #48dd8f.

But it's not just you! The green on Google's site looks visually brighter because the entire bubble is on a blue background. On iPhone, the green is normally on a white background.

Now, try setting your iPhone to Dark Mode in Settings, and you'll find that the green bubbles are still #48dd8f green and the text is still #ffffff pure white; it's harder to read on a black background, IMO.

No, not for me. I'm seeing much darker on my phone:

On the page: #75d993

In the video: #58bf5d

From my iPhone (iOS 15.6): #317332

Edit: scratch that! Apparently I turned on “increase contrast” years ago.

The background color of the bubbles changes in a gradient kind of way, depending on their vertical position on screen. That may explain the disparity you're seeing.

Could you upload a screenshot from your phone? Searching images online I see plenty that roughly match the colors they're using on the video/website, but none as dark as your iPhone. Reference: https://i.imgur.com/PlGjjQg.png

Maybe a personalization option?

Yes. Apparently I turned on the “increase contrast” Accessibility option years ago. I’ll be leaving it on.

The "increase contrast" green is both more readable and also just nicer looking. I don't know why it isn't the default.

iMessage was released on iOS 5 with the release of the iPhone 4S. Before then, all messages had a green background. Somehow sticking with the default of more than 10+ years is intentional maleficence by Apple?

No but not updating the default for 10 years in a way that mostly affects only Android users seems like borderline malfeasance to me.

It's not a "default", it's an indicator of how the message was sent.

So every sent message looks white on bright green or just the ones sent over SMS/MMS (I.e. to Android users)?

Messages sent via SMS/MMS are green, messages sent via iMessage are blue.

If you send a message via SMS/MMS to an iPhone user, it's green.

There is no detection if the user on the other end is an Android user.

So it's a default.

Blue is the default, because iOS always tries iMessage first in preference to SMS.

There's a setting for that too.

No.

Are you saying the default phone that users go out and buy, is an iPhone?

No, green is the default.

In a product development org, refusing to prioritize something is identical to deprioritizing it.

@Time0 -> Priority1=X, Priority2=Y

@Time1 -> Priority1=X, Priority2=Z, Priority3=Y

Across this timeframe, Y's priority was lowered from P2 to P3, because the org intentionally decided to make Z a higher priority.

One could argue that improving this experience was never in their priority list; but as long as product leaders in the org knew about it; its the same thing. Letting something linger in the backlog, and intentionally deciding to never add it to the backlog in the first place, are identical.

I don't know about "maleficence", but intentional: Yes. Cognizant inaction conveys intentionality.

I think you're misreading the above comment.

He's pointing out that Apple considered green originally the best background color for texting, and then added their own protocol with a blue background.

So it's not like they deliberately relegated SMS to green because they were certain blue was better; if they believed blue was superior, they'd have used it from the beginning.

Yes, and then Time Happened, and every other part of iOS was updated; including, by the way, THE GREEN BUBBLES, to make them less readable, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and no one else remembers that they used to be a different shade of green, with black text, which has significantly more contrast [1].

Regardless, they could improve it at any time, yet its been like this for... a decade now? Cognizant Inaction Is Intention. It doesn't matter why it is how it is; they can make it whateverthehell they want, they run the code, they run the org, they got the keys to production, so: fix it!

The original color may not have been malicious, but it WAS DELIBERATE. Every design decision at Apple is deliberate; to assert otherwise is to be revisionist. Cognizant Inaction Is Intention. Its color was deliberately chosen originally; its color was deliberately changed; their inaction in fixing the accessibility issues that change created is Deliberate, because Cognizant Inaction is Intention.

[1] https://d2bs8hqp6qvsw6.cloudfront.net/article/images/750x750...

As I'm trying to tell you, assuming malice instead of disagreement isn't productive. It's always been green, even when it was the only option. Perhaps they feel that green is still the best choice!

As others point out, there are accessibility options for people who want more contrast (and which benefit users with trouble reading these outbound messages in far more useful places).

It's not the same shade of green, IIRC it's been changed 2 or 3 times, each iteration having lower contrast with the text color.

In addition to that, iMessage in iOS 5 and 6 did NOT use white for text. Black letters were used instead.

It used to be black text on a green background with a bevel to make the text bubble look like it has depth. I'm probably in the minority but I still don't like the modern high contrast flat material design of everything.

As an iPhone user, it’s very clear that it is done intentionally. The shade of green hurts to read.

What? I don't even notice the difference in color except that I know not to use the tapback stuff when I'm texting an Android user. Does the green on white actually bother anyone? This seems like grasping at straws to me.

I've never heard this issue ever raised by anyone in real life.

I've only seen it brought up in internet tiffs about how Apple is using green message bubbles to "shame" non-Apple users. Which is similarly straw-graspy.

Given how cruel and capricious children tend to be, it would not surprise me in the least that iPhone-using US teenagers ostracize peers with Android devices because of the green bubbles.

While it doesn't surprise me, if it wasn't one thing it would probably be another.

Conversely if you're a parent with a distraught teenager being teased about this, I imagine that's cold comfort.

they are... https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...

During my highschool years, kids were bullied both for having and for not having both iPhones and Android phones.

yes it is a thing, from January 2022...

Why Apple’s iMessage Is Winning: Teens Dread the Green Text Bubble

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...

That has nothing to do with the readability of the color scheme of your (outgoing!) texts though.

Yeah, they're separate effects, but both triggered (because I wouldn't say teenagers being cruel is _caused_ by Apple) by the way Apple treats SMSs

https://color.a11y.com/ContrastPair/?bgcolor=3cd882&fgcolor=...

The colours do not pass the A11Y standards, which means people with poor eyesight can't read the messages properly.

This did made me curious to see if the blue background passes - and it doesn't either. https://color.a11y.com/ContrastPair/?bgcolor=047aff&fgcolor=...

At least the blue background passes WCAG AA with larger sized text, while the green doesn't pass at all.

Wrong color, iMessage uses #64C567 for the green background, which has a higher contrast than the pair you supplied (1.85 versus 2.15)

Still doesn't pass? Also thanks for pointing out the error!

I'm confused by all the mention of "what colour apple uses" in messages, message bubbles are a mask over a gradient

The funny thing is that simply changing the text color to black causes the green-on-black to pass all those metrics, with the blue-on-black passing everything but WCAG AAA with the normal font (but still passes on the larger font).

(Same result using #64C567 for the green bubbles, which a sibling pointed out is the correct value.)

There is an "Increase Contrast" option in Settings for visually-impaired users.

I would not discount visibility issues for anyone with a visual impairment. But at the same time there are a lot of issues listed on the page, with the color contrast only being one of them. You may consider the other usability issues more significant, but either way as a whole it seems to be a problem.

Tapback works, too - it just appears to the non-iMessage receiver as an another SMS message with the text equivalent of the tapback emoticon.

The Green is historical, not a specific decision by Apple to hinder reading texts.

Before iOS 5, and the release of iMessage, all messages on iOS were green.

That Google is painting this as something else speaks to how disingenuous this whole conversation has gotten, in all corners.

But it turns automatically green when you text a non iPhone device.

You have no idea how much of a hot topic this is I modern bullying

It turns green when the message is sent over SMS, not when you text a "non-Apple device".

You can send SMS messages to Apple devices, from an Apple device, if you're not signed into iMessage, or they're not, or if your data connectivity is limited, or theirs is.

This! I got sick of iMessage, and I disabled it completely on my iPhone. Everything was SMS, and it made moving my sim card between devices easier. I found that if you don't explicitly turn off iMessage before you ditch your iPhone, no other iMessage users will be able to message you. All my messages were green all the time.

If apple made them all the same color I think bullying would change by around 0%

This is ridiculous. As someone who suffered greatly from bullying throughout their education, the only way to deal with bullying is punishing bullies.

Bullies will always find something to bully others for, thats why they are bullies and not just expressing a preference.

I’m fairly convinced the bullying problem is a result of a society who treat kids as their parent’s property instead of communal property. Parents enable bullying.

So, you're asserting that the color choice of the bubbles ten years ago was unintentional? That whatever developer coded it had no instruction, Jony Ive & Steve Jobs were silent, and they used a random number generator to pick the hex code?

And additionally, you're asserting that its impossible to change or improve? That its just such an intractable problem which we inherited, and changing it would be such a herculean effort that its not worth moving the needle on?

I've never seen the codebase for the iOS messages app. I believe, even acknowledging that, its probably an absolute mess of legacy code, and I have a ton of sympathy for the developers working on it. I also believe, even acknowledging that, that changing one color is something an intern could do (and because its a big tech product org, there'd be fifty user studies and three orgs of product managers involved and Tim Cook would get a say in it, but those are manufactured problems. Also, let's be clear; if Jobs were still alive & in control, even all those manufactured roadblocks would be torn down, if it were a change he cared to prioritize, because that's the kind of leader he was).

Inaction is Intentional. Inaction is Intentional. Inaction is Intentional.

I'm asserting that a decision was made that SMS messages were green.

Then a decision was made that iMessage messages would be blue.

I'm asserting this was not done with animosity. It was a decision by Apple's UX team to make it easy to visually identify the difference between the message mechanics and capabilities of the end-user.

It is remarkably simple, effective and easily understood.

If Apple chose to make it so there was no visual distinction between the message sending mechanisms, that would be a worse, and more confusing, user experience.

If Apple changed the colors, whatever the new colors they chose to use would just be the new focus of the debate. It would become "Orange Bubbles vs Blue Bubbles" or "Purple Bubbles vs Blue Bubbles". People would argue that Apple chose the new color based on some secondary negative characteristic of the new color, just as they do today with green.

While true, prior iMessage it was only green bubbles. However, iMessage was released with iOS5 and iOS5 and every iOS prior apple went flat, used very different green: https://www.zdnet.com/a/img/2014/10/04/9ddbf98c-4b94-11e4-b6...

Now compare it to green bubbles today. Anyways, when I had iPhone, flat green bubbles annoyed me. Not because "hurr-durr I have a iPhone and you don't" but because SMS lacked many features and was hella slow to send. Plus, pretty much anywhere I lived I had horrible cellphone reception which made sending SMS a nightmare.

I'm not asserting that Apple's choice of color is malicious; just that it needs to be improved.

Also, I'm not asserting that Green is bad. The issue is the shade of Green, and the a11y issues it creates. I don't know how you jumped on "entirely different colors" or "the same color"; Android's criticism in the original article is very clear, its an a11y contrast issue with the light green background and white text. That's it. Nothing else.

This issue is, seriously, a lot simpler than you're exploding it to be. Make it 10 shades darker; done. They even have an option in their accessibility settings to make it so. This is a simple change, any a11y expert (including, maybe, the MANY apple themselves employs) would say the way it stands today is bad, but their inaction conveys intention.

Apple has had an "increase contrast" option on iOS, which does exactly what you're asking for, specifically designed for a11y, within the Accessibility Settings panel of iOS, since iOS 8 I believe, potentially earlier. This increases contrasts throughout the entire iOS experience, and yes, makes the green bubbles several shades darker.

They are not "inactive".

(It's also important to remember that the "green bubbles" applies to messages sent, not received. Received texts, no matter to mechanism, are either black text on grey, or white text on near-black depending on Dark mode)

> Before iOS 5, and the release of iMessage, all messages on iOS were green.

The green is inherited from iChat on Mac OS X, which used black text for the green bubbles: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/archive/revie...

This point is a fallacy.

Prior to the invention of iMessage - (iOS 6?) - all iPhone texts were this colour of green. It was the same no matter who you texted.

This means Apple never intentionally designed the green bubbles to be more difficult to read.

I seem to recall the green being a few shades darker (so there was higher contrast)

I don’t think it was a darker green, but the text was black until sometime around iOS 7, I think?

The text was black though to be fair:

https://www.gottabemobile.com/how-to-tell-if-youre-sending-a...

White text on green is significantly different - the older green bubbles with black text are noticeably clearer IMO, even if I also find it unlikely it was done deliberately to make SMS look bad. That said, Apple will certainly be aware of the cultural thing of the green vs blue bubbles given major news outlets have written on it (in the US anyway), so...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...

Apple commits many UI offenses, but the alleged illegibility of SMS messages is BS.

Not to mention that Apple's messaging is hideously broken in more ways than Android integration. iMessage will simply delete your phone number from its "can be reached at" list, which breaks years-long threads with a single (iPhone-using) friend into inexplicable new threads.

Ever go overseas? Try putting a local SIM into your USA phone somewhere else, and watch your phone "forget" all of your contacts. Seriously: WTF? Suddenly all of your contacts are unrecognized by number. It's idiotic.

I have quite literally never had that issue. I think people forget that Apple support a very fragmented and wide range of devices on multiple major OS releases and various version numbers. The long-term support period means some devices can be forgotten about even though they are receiving the latest updates. If you have found some edge-case bug, feel free to submit it. There is almost no other way for Apple to know and bother fixing it if you don't tell them.

This is not an "edge case." This is a readily reproducible defect. I've encountered it on different iPhones running current iOS in two countries with a gap of at least two years in between.

I have a paid-up developer account, so you can be assured that I filed a well-supported bug report on it.

The white on green is only used for the SMS messages you sent in the conversation.

Incoming messages are always black on grey, for SMS and iMessage both.

If the color scheme actually impacts legibility, it would only affect messages which you yourself wrote. It wouldn't have any effect on legibility of messages other people wrote, where that really matters a lot more.

The puke-green text bubbles from android and calm-blue bubbles from iMessage always struck me as very intentional.

Before iMessage was released all text messages sent from iPhones were SMS/MMS. They were all green. If an iPhone recipient is unavailable via iMessage a text will fall back to SMS. So green bubbles are intentional, they indicate a text was sent via SMS.

> The puke-green text bubbles from android and calm-blue bubbles from iMessage

This quoted bit is actually incorrect. All messages from android and from iMessage are in identical gray text bubbles.

The blue/green bubbles are for your own sent messages only

> I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one.

I got the impression RCS de-facto depends on Google servers in some way. Can someone confirm if that's the case?

RCS doesn't inherently depend on Google servers. However Google doesn't see eye-to-eye with anyone. The carriers want their own version of RCS and Apple doesn't want to deal with it. Of course it's easier to get clicks by bashing Apple than by holding the carriers accountable (or supporting your own deprecated messaging platforms).

https://pocketnow.com/why-you-should-probably-avoid-googles-...

Google has exactly zero credibility here. Look how many messaging platforms they've created and killed off. Who's to say Google won't kill off RCS when they get a chance?

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Google's server with Jibe Mobile only exists because the carriers weren't doing anything at all and they needed to have something that worked for everyone.

If Apple implemented support, they would have their own server, they wouldn't use Jibe or the carrier's.

One thing to note is that received texts show up the same, it’s only sent messages that are blue/green.

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